Who Is Most Responsible for the SUCCESS of the Christian Religion?

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Who Is Most Responsible for the SUCCESS of the Christian Religion?

Poll closed May 7, 2021.
  1. Jesus

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  2. Paul

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    12.5%
  3. Constantine

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    50.0%
  1. gabmux

    gabmux Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    The "Golden Rule".....like the ten commandments....are virtually useless.
    The people that point to those rules are unable to abide by them...
    they are mainly used to suggest the shortcomings of others....not themselves.
     
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    gabmux Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Who said anything about sin?? I'm not sure why you've injected that into your rant.
    What Christians do with their own lives is up to them.
    Calling anything "sin" is ridiculous unless you are able to see the whole picture.
     
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    gabmux Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I'm not judging Christians....I'm suggesting that this strange idea they have
    that being "saved" makes them any different that a Hindu, Buddhist, Navajo...etc..is unfounded.
    The Bible is ink marks on pages...written by humans....
    not much different in appearance than a phone book....and just as outdated as some.
     
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    gabmux Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Or maybe your own views are biased....
     
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    Oh well - what more can i say?
     
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    Just curious - are you an atheist?
     
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    gabmux Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    No Sir.
     
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    FreshAir Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    it's a hard for some to believe

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    The Wyrd of Gawd Well-Known Member

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    That is fake history.

    The 1611 KJV is based on the Geneva Bible. The Geneva Bible was far more popular than the KJV Bible.The Puritans and the Pilgrims used the Geneva Bible. The Geneva Bible has been out of print for the past 376 years.

    The KJV is the Anglican Church’s Bible. It is not a Protestant translation.

    All of the current KJV Bibles are based on Blaney’s 1769 Revised Oxford Edition of the 1611 KJBible. Actually 1611 versions of the KJV Bible are extremely rare.

    In the 1880’s the English did a major revision and deleted the 14th Apocryphal books. So, if you have a so-called KJV you are reading a fake Bible.
    https://www.greatsite.com/timeline-english-bible-history/index.html
     
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    The Wyrd of Gawd Well-Known Member

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    The Nicene Creed as written is fake. There was no person named Jesus when it was supposedly written and Christ is not his surname.
     
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    It sure would be nice if people actually learned what the real Ten Commandments are and kick those fake ones to the curb once and for all.
     
  12. Jeannette

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    You're being ridiculous! People didn't have surnames until recent history. They were usually called by their first names and to distinguish them from others, they would add something like 'John's son', or 'the blacksmith'. Christ means the anointed one.

    The Nicene Creed was written when Saint Constantine called a gathering of all the bishops to the city of Nicaea so they could distinguish the true beliefs of the Christian faith from the heresies. That was about 300 years after Christ's death and resurrection.


    But look, keep your attacks on Jesus and the Christian faith, because the more you do, the more Saints God will give us, and the more documented miracles will be happening at monasteries, churches and shrines in Greece and the Middle East. God will not let His Church die.

    The Christians in the underground Churches in the Middle East, now exceeds the genocide of Christians - which averaged about 300 a day, mostly by Assad's enemies. Christianity is now thriving the way it did during the persecution by the pagan emperors. All we need now is another person with the stature of Saint Constantine to unite all the Christian faiths.

    From what I know, he will come after the next war to prepare humanity before the advent of the antichrist and his one world government.
     
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    The evil antichrist globalist one world empire [that Revelation symbolically calls "Babylon"] has ruled the world since WW2. Any ungodly Babylonian union of diverse faiths would be an antichrist abomination that makes desolate... as perverted Babylonian baal temple "churches" are now.

    From the beginning when Yeltsin first appointed Putin prime minister [July 1999 Julian]... I believed Putin would be Russia's new Tsar who would unite the two main east/west divisions of the Russian Orthodox Church - and Putin did exactly that. The evil irony is... Putin also continues to worship church-destroying mass-murdering antichrist marxist Stalin!

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    There will be no union of diverse faiths except under the Antichrist who will want the world to worship him as the messiah. What there will be in the decades after the war, and under the leadership of a new Constantine, is the cleansing of heresies - or at least as I understand it.

    You hate Stalin because he destroyed Nazi Germany, not because of his atheism - which couldn't have been that strong since he did open the churches during the war. The story goes, that Stalin didn't know whether he should leave Moscow when the Germans were at the gates, so someone told him to ask Saint Matrona.

    He did and she told him that the Germans will not enter, but he must open all the churches. We don't know for sure if Stalin did ask her, but what we do know is that all the churches did open overnight - that is the ones that weren't destroyed by Lenin. Khruschev closed them again when he came into power, and that's when the persecution of Christians began again.

    The Orthodox Church which is prevalent in Russia, unlike the RCC and Protestant Churches, does not believe in imposing anything on anyone. This is why proselytizing is against the law in Russia. This is also why the Russian Federation doesn't have problems with its Muslim and Buddhist Republics, as well as with all the 123 ethnicities and languages within it.

    What you're advocating is basically the break up of the Russian Federation so it can become vulnerable to Soros' liberal one world government.
     
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    I'm not a typical Westerner... evil Stalinist propaganda will not work on me.

    I HATE Stalin because he was an evil demented antichrist mass-murderer of Christians in Russia, Ukraine, Germany and many other nations in Europe. Stalin also destroyed Russian Orthodox churches, including Russia's largest church, Moscow's Church of Christ the Saviour, so he could build an atheist marxist tower with a huge statue of Lenin on top. Ironically, if not for Hitler's attempt to liberate Russians from evil antichrist marxism... Stalin would have built his antichrist marxist tower... and the Church of Christ the Saviour could never have been rebuilt [as it was in the 1990s.] Abominable antichrist Stalin also wanted to destroy Moscow's iconic St Basil's church. Can you imagine Moscow's Red Square without St Basil's ?! YOUR evil antichrist "hero" Stalin could and probably would have destroyed it - if not for Hitler !!

    Putin's new military church should have been built in honor of Hitler and his "courageous German sword" who tried to liberate Christians from mass-murdering antichrist marxist Stalin !!

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    You still don't realize that there was no guy named Jesus when the Creed was supposedly written. At least the dummies could have used an authentic name instead of an alias.

    According to the fairy tale, Egypt must be emptied of people for 40 years and Sodom must be rebuilt to its former glory. When you see those things start to happen you can start worrying. Until then, enjoy some good wine and soothing music.

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    Hitler's courageous sword killed over 20 million Russians, mostly civilians. Why not ask the Russians how they feel about him?

    There is not a single family in Russia that hasn't lost someone in that war fighting off the Nazi invaders. Driving the Russians to the Urals and grabbing their land and wealth was Hitler's sole purpose for the war.

    Germany needed land to feed it's large population and they eyed the rich black earth of Ukraine and Russia. Stalin and Churchill though had other ideas, and decided to solve Germany's over population in their own way.

    The poor Germans. They were so deceived. Not only did they destroy half the world, but themselves and their youth as well. Bravo Hitler! You did well! But that's what happens when you give yourself over to an entity that can bear only ill will.

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    What fools they be, who cannot see
    and thinkest me a mockery.
    And knowest not the harm I'll do,
    when coming back at thee - Jeannette
     
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    Stalin killed Christian Russians who allied with Hitler's Germans and fought along side Germans to try to liberate their Christian homeland from antichrist Stalin.

    Other Russians died fighting to keep evil church-destroying mass-murdering antichrist Stalin in power !!

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    Jeannette, I have a question for you:

    Since Putin's new military church was recently built over a bloody WW2 battlefield to glorify antichrist marxist bolshevik Stalin's victory over Hitler... now I wonder... was the previously built "Church on the Blood" Yekaterinburg [2003] at the site of Tsar Nicholas II and his royal family's brutal murder by evil antichrist marxist bolsheviks... also built to glorify the evil antichrist marxist bolsheviks "victory" over God's Tsar, the Third Rome and Holy Mother Russia ?!!

     
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    Get off it Tajas. Hitler's army was advancing and either killing or starving the Russian Ukrainians and Russians civilians as they went along. They wanted to grab the best farm land in the world to feed their large population and drive the Russians to the Urals.

    In Leningrad (Saint Petersburg), it was assumed that 700 thousand people starved, but now they realize it was more than a million, because of all the people that ran into the city to escape the German advance. Churchill asked Roosevelt to start a lend lease with Stalin to save the city, and the ships with food and trucks would land in Iran or Vladisvostok. The Russians would then jump in the trucks and drive the thousands of miles to Leningrad.
     
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    Jeannette, I asked you a specific question... are you afraid to answer ?!

    Did you realize that God's Tsar, Nicholas II [Christian Russia/Third Rome]... and God's Hero, Hitler [Christian Germany/Third Reich]... were BOTH destroyed by evil secular democrats and antichrist marxist bolsheviks ?!
     
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    The Third Rome in the East and the Third Reich in the West were the last of the "legs of iron" in Daniel 2.

    Now we are all living in the weak degenerate leftover iron mixed with miry clay feet of Revelation's globalist evil empire, Babylon.

    Where is God's holy warrior on the white horse [a Cyrus symbol] ??

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    The church at Yekaterinburg was built as a shrine to the holy martyrs. Every church is somehow a shrine since the altar must contain a part of a Saint when consecrated. In this way the Saints holyness will extend to people's hearts, in the same way that evil and hatred does when in contact with the Satanic and occult.

    As for the Russia's Victory Cathedral in honor of Christ's Resurrection, it was built to commemorate the men who died fighting to protect their homeland from the Nazi invaders. As Shoigu said, Russia traditionally builds churches to commemorate their victories over their enemies.

    I think though it was built for another reason as well, and that's to prepare the Russian soldiers for the future sacrifice they must make to preserve their country and traditions - but mostly their faith from the prevailing secularism and materialism. They suffered under such a system for 70 years and know well what it is.

    Notice that there are no chairs, and the service can last up to 5 hours.

     
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    How can you equate a Christian Saint, and that's what Tsar Nicholas II is, with a demonically possessed demagogue like Adolph Hitler who aroused the passions of the German people to attack nations and kill millions?
     
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    Although I was baptized Lutheran, I've been to Russian Orthodox worship. I know there are only chairs at the side for the old and feeble and everyone else is expected to stand.

    You admit Russians suffered 70 years under evil antichrist marxist bolshevism [I first heard the interesting "70 years" time period from Russian Orthodox priests]... and much of that horrific time period was under the evil rule of antichrist mass-murderer Stalin!

    After Stalin died [1953], Russia was de-Stalinized. So it's a mystery to me why "Christian" Putin who was raised during de-Stalinization loves evil antichrist Stalin so much !!

    Like Stalin, Putin's "Russian" defense minister, Shoigu, is NOT Russian. Shoigu is an abominable hybrid and neither parent is ethnic Russian. If that is the type of muli-racial, multi-religious, multi-cultural Babylonian "'Russia" Putin envisions... then he should have told me decades ago not to waste my time hoping for anything else.

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