Who Is Most Responsible for the SUCCESS of the Christian Religion?

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Who Is Most Responsible for the SUCCESS of the Christian Religion?

Poll closed May 7, 2021.
  1. Jesus

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  2. Paul

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  3. Constantine

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  1. Tejas

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    Ironic that YOU insult others based entirely upon YOUR own ABSENCE of historical KNOWLEDGE.

    The oldest use of surnames dates back 4000 YEARS to China.

    Surnames were in use 1800 years BEFORE Jesus was born. Your bible refers to Joseph OF NAZARETH because that was his FULL name as it would have been RECORDED in the Roman CENSUS in that period. Ancient Greeks and Romans used the same system as well as matriarchal and patriarchal designations for surnames.
     
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    WTF? :eek:

    Seriously WTF?

    That has to be some of the most APPALLING content I have ever encountered on this forum.

    Are you AWARE that your German ZERO was responsible for MURDERING 6 MILLION of your IMAGINARY god's "chosen people" and yet here YOU are heaping PRAISE on him?

    Sad doesn't even begin to describe this content.
     
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    Just when you imagine that it CANNOT go any LOWER... :eek:

    BELIEVING this bovine excrement content has to take some significant DENIAL of FACTUALLY documented REALITY.

    Jesus must be APPALLED that anyone believes this in HIS name.

    SAD!
     
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    What happened to PRAISING him a couple of posts EARLIER?

    /shakes head and slowly backs away...
     
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    Antichrist marxist Stalin mass-murdered multiple millions of Russian and Ukrainian Christians in the early 1930s BEFORE WW2,

    Antichrist marxist Stalin mass-murdered Russians and Ukrainians [and Christians from many other European Christian nations] who allied with Hitler and fought alongside Hitler's "courageous German sword" to try to liberate Russia from antichrist marxist Stalin.

    I know how Russian Orthodox Christians felt about Hitler and his attempt to liberate them from antichrist marxist Stalin's hell on earth! That's why I love to quote Metropolitan Anastassy [Russian Orthodox Church in exile] !!

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    In other words it's exactly what I said. People were distinguished from others with the same first name by their occupation; who their father was, etc. Also the place they came from like for instance, Judas Iscariot, which means Judas of Cariot.

    Sometimes the names and even nick names could be passed down from generation to generations - as we can see by people's surnames today. My mother's last name was really a nick name because her father's last name was the same as the Prime Minister of Italy and since he was not Italian, it was an embarrassment at that time and place.

    What I meant was that people did not have 'official' surnames as we know them today. They were merely references to something so that they could be distinguished from others with the same first name. Of course there were some exceptions like the surnames of Byzantine Emperors such as: Comnenus, Paleologus, Dukas - and those names still exist.
     
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    If you can't see the sarcasm when I wrote the following, then you have a real comprehension problem. I'll try to explain it for you:

    "...The poor Germans. They were so deceived. (by Hitler) Not only did they destroy half the world, but themselves and their youth as well. Bravo Hitler! You did well! (sarcasm) But that's what happens when you give yourself over to an entity (demon) that can bear only ill will (towards humanity) ..."
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    Calling good [Hitler], evil.

    Calling evil [Stalin], good.

    Is it beyond hope that Putin is doing that as a psyop... or is he really that deluded ?

    Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil;
    that put darkness for light, and light for darkness;
    that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!


    Isaiah 5:20

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    Back to the original question:

    Who Is Most Responsible for the SUCCESS of the Christian Religion?

    The Holy Spirit by dwelling in our hearts. Without the peace and love He gives us, there would be no Christianity. It is this love that blossomed and spread from one to another that brought about the greatest revolution known to man. This is why we have an AD and BC.

    Some people though are still in their BC mode. It's time they got out of it.


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    No one ever called Stalin good. That sounds very delusional to me?

    Why such a hatred for Vladimir Putin that you would make up lies like that?

     
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    Oh please... don't be like double-minded Putin who speaks with "forked tongue"

    It is my "bane in life" to love Putin... God knows why !

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    YOU abjectly FAILED to INCLUDE the fact that you were being sarcastic in YOUR original post.

    Then you COMPOUND your own FAILURE with a PUERILE insult in VIOLATION of PF Rules.

    Sad!

    :roflol:
     
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    It's sad that you're unable to understand sarcasm, but that's okay I understand. I assume you're not an American.
     
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    Your FAILURE to clearly INDICATE that YOU were being sarcastic is YOUR problem, not mine.

    UNLIKE those who are Waging a War on Women I am an America who UPHOLDS the Constitution and the ALL of the Rights of my fellow citizen.

    I even uphold YOUR right to PRETEND that you were just being "sarcastic" when you posted your admiration of Hitler.

    :roflol:
     
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    The oppressors of Christianity are mostly responsible for its success. Where Christianity is oppressed is where you will find most of the Chrisitans that actually live Christian lives. Where Christianity is not oppressed, it tends to stagnate, and where it is empowered by the state is where it is most corrupt.
     
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    And yet Christianity was never oppressed in the US, and it was always quite vibrant. It still is compared to other nations.

    I was thinking of the way Christianity grew and thrived in pagan Rome under oppression. It seems to be happening in the Middle East today, even though the punishment for converting is death.

    When the Bible was translated into Turkish, it sold 8 million copies.. Since a family needs only one Bible, that means there must be about 20 million crypto Christians in Turkey.

    It's assumed they are the Greek Pontians who lived in the Black Sea area and didn't want to leave Turkey under the population exchange. They converted to a Shia sect called Alevi's and retained some of their Christian beliefs. The same might be true in Syria with Christians who didn't retain their beliefs and converted..

    Here Assad celebrates Christmas with the nuns and orphans at a monastery.


     
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    I have read Tyndale's Bible, The Geneva Bible, and the King James Bible. I have read modern translations too,
     
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    St. Paul made the division between Christianity and Judaism permanent. He did so when Christianity was spreading as a Jewish sect. When St. Paul wrote his "Epistle to the Romans" he had never been in Rome. There was already a community of non Pauline Christians in Rome.

    A problem facing the spread of Jewish Christianity was the insistence on circumcision. For a man it was very painful, and sometimes lethal. I was circumcised when I was twelve years old. Even with anesthesia and pain killers I was sore for about two weeks.
     
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    Circumcision came from the law and all it symbolized. To Jews it was a necessary work. As Paul stated, God was looking for "circumcised hearts".
     

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