Who is the man of lawlessness?

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  1. Iron_Merc

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    The Man of Lawlessness
    2 Now concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our being gathered together to him, we ask you, brothers,[a] 2 not to be quickly shaken in mind or alarmed, either by a spirit or a spoken word, or a letter seeming to be from us, to the effect that the day of the Lord has come.

    3 Let no one deceive you in any way. For that day will not come, unless the rebellion comes first, and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the son of destruction,[c] 4 who opposes and exalts himself against every so-called god or object of worship, so that he takes his seat in the temple of God, proclaiming himself to be God.

    5 Do you not remember that when I was still with you I told you these things? 6 And you know what is restraining him now so that he may be revealed in his time. 7 For the mystery of lawlessness is already at work. Only he who now restrains it will do so until he is out of the way. 8 And then the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord Jesus will kill with the breath of his mouth and bring to nothing by the appearance of his coming.

    9 The coming of the lawless one is by the activity of Satan with all power and false signs and wonders, 10 and with all wicked deception for those who are perishing, because they refused to love the truth and so be saved. 11 Therefore God sends them a strong delusion, so that they may believe what is false, 12 in order that all may be condemned who did not believe the truth but had pleasure in unrighteousness.


    Any takers on:
    Who is the man of lawlessness
    Who is the restrainer?

    Is this happening right now?
    If so, what is the rebellion based on?


    If we get some interest I will share my theory or take on this, just wanted to see what you guys think of this scripture as it relates to present times, if it relates at all.

    My pursuit is to discover who exactly the man of lawlessness, the son of perdition, the antichrist. Is this man plotting evil against us as we speak?
     
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    WillReadmore Well-Known Member

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    A person behind a Jewish star examining a letter from Paul!

    Paul's letters to the early churches were oriented to strengthening and advising those churches.

    Outside of Satan, any danger surely refers to the situation of the time, as these churches were small and lived within regions that did not share Paul's religion.
     
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    No man knows the day or the hour..
     
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    But the scripture in question, as posted above, is in reference to Jesus 2nd coming. While it is true that no man knows the date or time, we can still postulate based on current world events. Here is my take on it:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Man_of_sin

    Let me explain: Obama is the man of lawlessness as predicted in Thessalonians:

    3 Don’t let anyone deceive you in any way, for that day will not come until the rebellion occurs and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the man doomed to destruction. 4 He will oppose and will exalt himself over everything that is called God or is worshiped, so that he sets himself up in God’s temple, proclaiming himself to be God.

    and a little further down it says this:

    5 Don’t you remember that when I was with you I used to tell you these things? 6 And now you know what is holding him back, so that he may be revealed at the proper time. 7 For the secret power of lawlessness is already at work; but the one who now holds it back will continue to do so till he is taken out of the way. 8 And then the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord Jesus will overthrow with the breath of his mouth and destroy by the splendor of his coming.

    Now what he's talking about indicates a rebellion and a man of lawlessness will be revealed after the one who is holding it back will be taken out of the way. This links up with: Obama being the man of lawlessness and Trump is holding back the flood gates. And the rebellion is exactly what we are seeing here on the forum (in constant bickering between the right and rebellious left) and in the news and in society in general. The left is staging the biggest rebellion in human history.

    We can start to formulate a theory now.
    a) re read the bold sections
    b) Obama is the man of lawlessness (the antichrist)
    c) The rebellion refers to exactly what the left wing is doing right now
    d) Donald Trump is the one who is holding it back (holding back the man of lawlessness and/or evil)

    We know this if we look at the langauge:

    But in verse 7 he used personal pronouns of the masculine gender to describe the one exercising the power. By this we conclude that whoever is restraining the appearance of the anti-Christ has to be a living entity, not a thing. It refers to a man. And he has to be very powerful since according to verse 9 the anti-Christ’s appearance is a work of Satan.
     
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    Wow - you still think Obama hate is a thing???

    What did he ever do to you???
     
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    WOW

    Obama is pure evil and you mean to tell me that I wasn't effected ? BS

    Obama is looming in the background to take control of the nation after our little civil war.
     
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    The Religion of the Tin Foil Hat Club... way cool.
     
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    Just remember this conversation next month, when our nation falls into total anarchy.

    I expect an apology when my predictions come true.
     
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    You promise to leave the board if your "prediction" is false? Or will you just post more bull crap and say the usual, "Oh, I didn't mean NEXT month, I meant the one after ...." . Never meant an End of the World prognosticator willing to back up any of their predictions.
     
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    I promise right now to leave the forum and NEVER come back if my predictions do not come true.

    You should be preparing for the incoming wave of anarchy. That would be the smart thing to do.
     
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    I’ve lived through Presidents being forced out of office and impeached before. Riots, segregation and desegregation, national protests, peace marches, the **********s, Vietnam War, 9/11, and a million other things where people like you predicted the end of civilization and promised that, “...this time it’s different...”.

    Whatever, dude. Just keep your promise.
     
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    That is so good Israeli propaganda.
     
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    I will keep my promise, thats a guarantee. Bookmark this thread.

    Did you know that Obama is working with Benny Gantz to take down Netanyahu?
    As in Obama is connected to his campaign directly.

    Now it doesnt seem so out of the realm of possibility after all....
    Hmmmm.....
     
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    And? Israel has survived lots of political intrigue and shifting power base. One man doesn’t change that.
     
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    And who, pray tell, was primarily responsible for the democrats taking the back control of the house?
     
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    That is too funny because if your predictions did come true I doubt if anyone would be posting on this or any other forum.
     
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    Idiocy. Obama Derangement Syndrome.
     
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    Take a listen, go to the 1:00 mark to start.

    Repeat as necessary until you get the point.

     
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    I know, a bit ironic but perhaps he will have a narrow window in time from when Trump is ejected from office and before the start of our 2nd civil war, to issue his apology.
     
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    No such thing, it's called righteous anger.

    Obama and satan actually look like they could be brothers.... or twins?

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    Net and yahoo is pure garbage. The sooner he disappears the better off the world will be.
     
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    You are believing a strong delusion. Netanyahu is the only reason Israel still exists.
     
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    The first thing to understand is that while Thessalonians 1 is regarded by scholars to be of Pauline Authorship - Thessalonians 2 is widely regarded as Pseudonymous .

    Jesus states in Matt that the end will come in the generation of the people he is speaking to. The people he is speaking to are Jews and these Jews believed in the messianic tradition of the day - that God would restore Israel to his former glory - as in the time of David.

    This did not happen .. around 70 CE - the Romans crushed the Jewish rebellion and destroyed the Temple.

    Thessalonians 2 was written after the destruction of the Temple - the author is trying to re -brand the messianic tradition and adapt it to a gentile audience.
     
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    It shows he is linked to multiple coups around the world (globally)

    Obama is a socialist and a globalist, so his working from behind the scenes on these two attempts to overthrow the governments of the two most powerful nations on earth, so it's not surprising, what we are seeing.

    10 coups in 2019 alone? Over 20 nations in total anarchy?

    Yeah I would say there is probable cause to indicate Obama is the man of lawlessness
     
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    Scholars do know the letter is included in the Marcion canon (ca 140 CE) and the Muratorian fragment (ca 170 CE). The Church Fathers of the late second century quoted from it. So it had to be well known and fully accepted by that time.

    The bottom line is that no one knows for sure. The arguments continue on both sides. Perhaps the default position is that authorship of the letter is less important than its overall message.

    Full Source here:
    https://www.biblewise.com/bible_study/questions/pauls-authorship.php
     

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