Whose Crimea

The UN Human Rights Mission has found in the Crimea serious violations and even such as kidnapping, torture and cases of extrajudicial execution, let alone forcibly coercing people to transfer to Russian citizenship. http://www.interfax.ru/russia/580452?utm_source=mst_rd

Moscow's reaction is interesting: "We believe that this is not in the competence of the observation mission." That's nothing more or less. And what then should be in the competence of the human rights mission? Someone can give a reasonable answer to this question.

 

Thousends years of history, hundreds thousands of lifes, gigatones of blood and many, many, many words about bad russians and good invaders to Crimea...



P. S.: Belorussians, Russians, Ukrainians, Serbs..... is the same nation in different republics. EU's DNA tests didn't find any differents.

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It is known that the majority of the indigenous population of the Crimea (Crimean Tatars) lives not in the Crimea. Most of this people live in Turkey 5-6 million. This is the consequences of the genocide that Russia has been carrying out and is currently carrying out. As a result of years of genocide, there were only 266,000 Crimean Tatars left in the Crimea today.

 

So, "The US State Department issued the" Crimean Declaration ", in which the official policy of the United States is the refusal to recognize Crimea as part of Russia.
"Together with the allies, partners and the international community of the USA, they reject the attempt of Russia to annex Crimea and promise to support this policy until the territorial integrity of Ukraine is restored," the statement signed by Secretary of State Mike Pompeo said.
It is interesting that "The document contains a reference to the declaration of Welles 1940, according to which the United States formally refused to recognize Lithuania, Latvia and Estonia as part of the USSR Formally it operated until the collapse of the Soviet Union." https://iz.ru/770885/2018-07-25/gosd...-statuse-kryma
NATO countries supported the "Crimean Declaration".

 

really ? north regions of Kazakhstan were and they want

 

I doubt that there the overwhelming majority of residents want to join Russia. Many - maybe. The Russian language considers only 23% of Kazakhstan's population to be their mother tongue. For comparison - in Estonia 30%, in Belarus 70%, in the Crimea at the time of independence was more than 75%.

 

Crimea is actually belong to Tatars of Crimea. Neither Russia nor Ukranie.

 

And the North American Continent belongs to the "native Americans" aka Indians.
We could include Central and South too.

At some time we recognize - these are the borders. Roughly.

Now Crimea has been governed from Moscow since 1783.
Ukraine is the birthplace of Russia before the capitol moved to Novgorod and Moscow. Kiev Rus.
And by the mid 1600's with the end temporary dominion by Poland.

The Republic of Texas has been part of since 1845, before 1835 property of Mexico.
The Republic of California has been part of since 1850. Previously part of Mexico.


See any analogies?

No independent Ukraine.
Ukraine is a region, not a nation.
Crimea is Russia!



Moi
1905 Moi's mother's parents came to
from Kiev, Russia. On the Czar's invitation to leave.

Witness how some, once autonomous areas lost their relative independence.
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No it is not stg like that...
Native Americans were mostly destroyed at all and they did not have empires or Dynasties at North.

But Tatars had Khaghante there over centuries and they were semiindependent during Ottoman period. Tatar people still exist more than 2 million Tatars live in Turkey. Especially in Eskisehir city. We welcomed them because we are both Turkic race and speak dialect of Turkish. They were there since Chengiz Khan.. before Tatars there were "Jewish Turks" (Khazar Khaghate) over there. They were actually same race with Kipchak Turkic Group(same as Tatars) but they had all converted Judaism during Bulan Khan's reign. Their Khagante became weakened their war against Islam and Ummayids but Crimea was always Turkic land ...Slavic people came there very soon as soon as Ottomans started to collapse.

Russians wiped Tatars out by blaming them for helping Hitler. But it was not true, they were neutral. Some of them were sent Sibiria some escaped Turkey we accepted them. Tatars were majority in Crimea until 1940's

 

Tatars.
They are the Indians, not the cowboys.
History just treats some peoples so differently.
The Japanese avoided it.
The Vietnamese fought for over 100 years not to be "Indians".
China too big. Philippines too Filipino, esp. the Moro.
Kingdom of Hawai'i just right <yum yum> circa 1900
And that's the way it is.
No Tataristan.

The original thesis was, at some point borders are borders.
1800. 1900. 1950.
Ukraine = Russia
Crimea = Russia
California = I support CalExit
Texas = Many Texans would like to exit!
Hawai'i = Native Hawai'ians rally for their stolen nation all the time.

Crimea is Russia!

Moi

is a mistake
as a nation.​

 

Kazakhstan and North Kazakhstan are the big difference by mother tongue as well as Ukraine and Eastern Ukraine

 

why Moscow?Moscow was not the capital of Russia in 1783 and until 1918

 

Your severe quote editing made for a "no comprende" moment.
How about we start with the whole quote and then we discuss.

Whole Quote
And the North American Continent belongs to the "native Americans" aka Indians.
We could include Central and South too.

At some time we recognize - these are the borders. Roughly.

Now Crimea has been governed from Moscow since 1783.
Ukraine is the birthplace of Russia before the capitol moved to Novgorod and Moscow. Kiev Rus.
And by the mid 1600's with the end temporary dominion by Poland.

The Republic of Texas has been part of since 1845, before 1835 property of Mexico.
The Republic of California has been part of since 1850. Previously part of Mexico.


See any analogies?

No independent Ukraine.
Ukraine is a region, not a nation.
Crimea is Russia!


Now what are you saying?
I am saying Kiev Rus = Russia.
The center of gov't moved north to
Novgorod, Moscow, Petrograd, etc.
But they are still all of the Rus nation. That's Russia today.


Moi

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I understand. You wrote-Crimea has been governed from Moscow since 1783.since Moscow was not the capital of Russia in 1783 why You wrote Moscow?why not Novgorod, or N Novgorod, or Samara?

 

It was actually Saint Petersburg that was the capital of Imperial Russia from 1713 to 1918. After the Russian Revolution of 1917, Vladimir Lenin, fearing possible foreign invasion, moved the capital from Saint Petersburg to Moscow.

 

Without me defending Russia or anything because I don't like Russia at all, I even troll Russia very often, Crimea was Russian for a thousand damn years! The Mongols and the Ottoman barbarians had it for a second but Russia eventually took it all back where it belongs! Crimea is a Russian land and nothing more.

Then the drunkard Хрушчов gifted that directly to Ukraine so he can benefit from the deal and make his fat belly even greasier. When USSR fell down to the drain pipe slope, I was surprised that Russia didn't took Crimea back by force. I guess because of the Russians' overall kind and cool temper, they did nothing. They did not want war but rather peace.

Now that Ukrainians stabbed Russia in the back, of course Russia will take that as a serious insult, so they took Crimea back without even a single round being fired! I give them credit for that. America takes it all by force and not by bullets but by Howitzers, Artillery, UAVs and JDAMs. The civilian's life cost is almost down to zero when the US intervenes. At least Americans are leaving the Army and the Marines in droves, which speaks well of them. Soon the US Army will be repleted by only women, mexicans and muslims.

Not to freaking mention that Crimea's population for the last 100 years was and still is 95% Russian. That's a devastating percentage of Russian land ownership. That is not an Ukrainian land with Ukrainian people, people!

 

Here is a beautiful example of a person carrying a historical lie. In the Crimea, there is not a single archaeological find confirming that the Russians inhabited the Crimea. What thousands of years of ownership of the Crimea says this Russian nationalist? Yes, today the majority of the population of Crimea are Russians, but this is only because the Tatars, the indigenous people of Crimea, were deported by Russians from their homeland.

 

@Alik Bahshi

Crimean Khanate (1449–1783)

The Crimean Khanate, a vassal state of the Ottoman Empire, succeeded the Golden Horde and lasted from 1449 to 1783.[33] In 1571, the Crimean Tatars attacked and sacked Moscow, burning everything but the Kremlin. Until the late 18th century, Crimean Tatars maintained a massive slave trade with the Ottoman Empire, exporting about 2 million slaves from Russia and Ukraine over the period 1500–1700.

Russian Empire (1783–1917)

In 1774, the Khanate was proclaimed independent under the Treaty of Küçük Kaynarca with the Ottomans, but was then conquered by the Russian Empire in 1783.

The Taurida Oblast was created by a decree of Catherine the Great on 2 February 1784. The center of the oblast was first in Karasubazar but was moved to Simferopol later in 1784. The establishment decree divided the oblast into 7 uyezds. However, by a decree of Paul I on 12 December 1796, the oblast was abolished and the territory, divided into 2 uyezds (Akmechetsky [Акмечетский] and Perekopsky [Перекопский]) was attached to the second incarnation of the Novorossiysk Governorate.

The eleven-month siege of a Russian naval base at Sevastopol during the Crimean War

From 1853 to 1856, the peninsula was the site of the principal engagements of the Crimean War, a conflict fought between the Russian Empire and an alliance of France, Britain, the Ottoman Empire and Sardinia.

 

Well, where are your thousands of years of Russian presence in the Crimea? As you yourself write, Russia conquered the Crimea in 1783. By the extermination of the Crimean Tatars, the Russians became the majority in the Crimea.

 

Do you know what a metaphor means?

 

Here we talk about specific historical things, and to assume that 1000 years instead of 200 years is a metaphor not correct.

 

200 years is a hell of a time period. 200 years ago people didn't even have electricity, if you think about it!

 

Yes, but this is not 1000 years, as you write about finding Russians in the Crimea.

 

It was a metaphor lol.

 

If the “1000 years” of Russian ownership of the Crimea, as you wrote in the commentary, is only a metaphor, not a reality, then you should warn that the person reading your comment knows that this is a fake.