Why America Is Becoming More Divided

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  1. Robert

    Robert Well-Known Member Donor

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    Frankly this is very instructive. Think over why this forum is so raggedly divided. Watch the public tell it from the Democrats point of view. But do you believe the Democrats would listen? Here they are tested in front of you trying to get them to actually talk to Trump supporters. What good is this doing for America?

    Surprisingly, there are actually Democrats who show up at Trump rallies to learn about Trump. I congratulate any Democrat that shows up to learn.

     
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    We are divided because the left and the media keeps reminding us of a person's skin color. We are divided because the left and the media wants to take money from the financially well-off and give it to the losers. We are divided because the left and the media wants to change the natural roles of the genders. We are divided because the left and the media want special consideration for gays and lesbians. We are divided because the left and the media has more compassion for criminals than victims. We are divided because the left and the media wants more benefits for illegal aliens than our tax paying citizens. We are divided because the left and the media keeps up the propaganda to convince us that white people and the financially well-off people are the cause of all our problems. Above is just a few examples, there are probably more I can't think of.
     
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    We have two different visions for America.

    One side likes George Washington, Abraham Lincoln, baseball, apple pie, the American Olympic teams, respect for private property, traditional values, etc.

    The other side believes we are a nasty, racist country with a shameful past that can only be purged by adopting socialism, the Green New Deal, and the entire far left agenda.
     
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  4. Nightmare515

    Nightmare515 Ragin' Cajun Staff Member Past Donor

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    We're divided because all sides of the spectrum want the entire country to think like they do and will accept no compromise. For some reason millions of Americans feel it their civic duty to get in everyone elses business and can't just live and let live.

    We spend so much of our time and energy focusing on things that divide us rather than the things we have in common.

    Are you pro-life or pro-choice?
    Pro-choice!
    I'm pro-life I hate you!

    ^^Incorrect answer

    Are you pro-life or pro-choice?
    Pro-Choice!
    Alright, I'm pro-life. Do you like beer?
    Yeah..
    Me too, lets go have a beer
    Sounds good

    ^^Correct answer.

    Folks care so much about stuff like that as if it literally defines one's entire character in of itself. To the point where there are threads being created on this very forum asking a genuine question as to whether you can befriend someone of a different political ideology than you or even talk to family members of different ideologies than you. It's gotten absolutely ridiculous at this point.

    Thats why the nation is divided.

    Here's how this works, The New Orleans Saints are a better football team than yours. A good friend of mine is a Trump supporting military war veteran such as myself. His ideology is absolute garbage in every aspect of it and everything that comes out of his mouth on Sundays is dismissed as pure trash because he is an idiot.

    Why? Because he grew up in Atlanta and he's a Falcons fan and the Falcons are trash and so is he. My other buddy is a pretty Far Left Progressive guy who holds pretty much the complete opposite beliefs about the world than I do. However, his ideology is 100% accepted and supported and he is allowed to speak openly and freely within my presence on Sundays because he too is a Saints fan.

    Saints fan > Liberal/Conservative/Always Trumper/Never Trumper/Pro Life/Pro Choice/Feel the Bern/whatever

    Because I like and accept folks for who they are as individual people and not for whoever the hell they vote for. And I live and let live and understand that the whole damn country is not going to all think and live the way I do. That doesn't make them less of an American. Life is way too hard as it is to run around hating folks for not thinking the same way you do. Disagreeing with one another is fine, but we as a nation are beyond that point. We don't disagree, we HATE one another and we hate one another so much that half of the nation doesn't even think the other half even belongs here anymore.

    We all need to just collectively calm the hell down as a country before we collapse in on ourselves.
     
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    Belch Well-Known Member

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    I'm on the other side of the fence, and have tried talking to the left. It's a useless endeavor because we start from different premises. The left start from the premise that we are all equal, thus things should be equal. The right starts from equality under the law, but we are most certainly not all equal.

    This video explains how this works out in the real world (even though south park is not the real world).
     
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    You are correct ... there’s a huge divide on this issue:

    Republicans believe in equality of opportunity. Democrats believe in equality of results. Those two positions are irreconcilable.
     
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    So the only solution is through violence. I wish it could be otherwise, but I already see that happening all over the world. Either countries have slipped into complete anarchy, or they are about to. We see it from Chile to Venezuela to Hong Kong, and will soon see it in the UK and the states.

    Those people in the video aren't interested in dialogue, so diplomacy has run its course and that leaves only one alternative.
     
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    The right no longer operates in good faith and both parties are being pushed further away from center by a growing ideological base.
    Both sides now see the other as the enemy, not a simple disagreement.

    I love how so far in this thread on why is America so divided we have threats of violence and the “democrats are raccistsss”
    This is what is wrong with this country. You are the problem

    Jesus
     
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    No the problem is the left thought they had a free ride after Mr. Obama, Mrs. Hillary was the heir to the crown to continue to move the nation left.

    And now the 3 year cry baby attacks continue
     
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    America is becoming more divided because this has been the effort of Communists around the world. Commies have been wanting to get rid of America for decades. They have infiltrated our society and planted destructive seeds. We now have a whole generation of folks who think socialism is a good thing and do not realize how destructive it has been thru history.
     
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    Not agreeing is not a “cry baby attack”.
    Do you believe the right will be silent if trump loses both the EC and PV in 2020?
     
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    Who cares , Trump showed the left's true colors and it will be on the minds of everyone for generations to come.
     
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    That’s such a well thought out response and further highlights why America is so divided.
    “Who cares”...

    I will take you refusing to answer a fairly simple question as your response, which says more than you would likely be able to articulate anyway/
     
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    I disagree with your assessment, but it is a problem. One that the left should take a bit more seriously than they currently do. They have some very angry people who are just fed up with them. What are they going to do? The right has the guns, they are cheek to jowl in cities that they might not want to be in if violence starts, but they're not welcome outside of cities.

    They are essentially unarmed, city services like water, food, etc. are easily sabotaged or simply stopped, and well... they still refuse to consider the their situation. Nothing more than soft targets in a target rich environment.

    What's the plan, boss? Gonna call people names? That's pretty much all you have at this point, and you are dealing with some very angry and armed people who are just fed up to the eyebrows with the nonsense.
     
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    So again, you are threatening violence because you are “fed up” with the left yet still believe the left is why the country is divided.

    I didn’t call anyone names, so I don’t know what you are referring to. Your belief that people outside of the extreme right are armed is incorrect.

    As for what the “plan” is, well — it is to let the extreme right wing die off. Statistical data shows most of it comes from white male boomers and silent generation. In two decades republicans will not be able to win a city council seat in most of the country, much less a national position. Don’t have to fire a single shot.
     
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    Jesus indeed! Sorry but it isn't my fault I'm not who you wish I was sorry you find that so disquieting. I share Martin Luther King's vision of a color blind society because that's the only way this is ever going to work. As long as the left continues to insist that skin color is all that matters and yells racist at every one who disagrees with them no wins and we all lose.
     
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    Oh I completely agree with this, all policies that benefit or penalize someone due to their skin color, gender, religion, sexual orientation or any other irrelevant personal metric should be outlawed.
     
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    Actions are the ones that will be remembered in history..

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    cd8ed Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I agree with this statement completely, along with presidential quotes.
     
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    I didn't call you a name, but I am not above saying that terms like racist is a pejorative, which is something the left doesn't mind doing.

    As for being armed, the left is not nearly as well armed as the right. It's just a fact.

    Your plan is to let the extreme right wing die off? I don't think so. They're not going to just die off, and well, if that is your plan, then good luck.
     
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    They are absolutely going to die off, every poll in existence is showing the youth is much more liberal than prior generations.
    I am not telling anyone to die off, its a simple analysis of the data. It’s just fact.
     
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    This has always been the case. People change as they grow older and wiser. Sorry, but you'll always have the young looking at what the old have worked hard for and thinking it should be theirs. They will grow older, and change once they've put in a few decades of getting up and going to work, and realizing that what they have is the product of those years.

    Young people are too stupid to realize that wealth is not the result of being old, but rather earned. Give them time and they will learn the evil of their ways.
     
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    Seems to me we have two basic camps- those who believe in collective responsibility and those who believe in self responsibility. The problem is that these two cannot coexist in the same society with the same laws. Some of us will never accept responsibility for the group, and theres no way to enforce collective responsibility if some individuals are exempted.
     
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    That's a good way of putting it. I'm not responsible for the collective and the collective can kiss my petard, so the question is... will the collective allow me to go about my merry way without being responsible for them? Or are we going to war?
     
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    Those trends are not showing in younger groups, older millennials for example are not showing the same shift their parents did by the same age. The ease of information and the economy plus the cost of living as assured this.
     

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