Why are all the Brexiters not hip hip hooraying at No Deal?

It has been quite quiet from the Brexiters recently. I do not understand why they are not whooping it up as the UK follows the massive economic problems and unemployment caused by Covid with even more with the No Deal Brexit. Will Boris's promise of 'thousands of construction jobs' make even a dent in the likely unemployment? I doubt it. I am going to put in a short video by George Monet. What he says in it is not his original thinking. Many have already said it. Brexit is a war among the elites, among as he puts it Capitalism. This can be roughly seen as we are now which is one group of elites in charge. They believe in principle to democracy and have sufficient moral integrity to want most people to have sufficient needs that most people can have a 'good enough' life. The other though, the one you Brexiters fought so hard to do to your country do not care a **** about democracy and are, to use one way I heard it put after a 'race to the bottom'. That is they will not give a damn how many people are hurt nor how bad it is. They have no care in even pretending we have democracy.

Brexit is for the very few. One of the main donors to the Leave Campaign Robert Mercer was also Trump's main donor. Like him the other main donors are not living in Britain, They do not have the interests of Britain, only that of their own pocket. Apparently it is a thrill to these people to do this to a once great country called Britain when previously they only had countries like Chili.

The most concerning part of it I think is how they managed to get a section of the country who were very fed up to fight for them. They managed to get them to think it was in their interests, it was against the elite - well to some extent that is true in that it was a battle of the elite. They simply took one side. They managed to get them to believe it was to sort out the problems the other elite did but all they were doing was working to bring in one with far less care for the people. It is only about the rule of the few with even more inequality - although like in the states that for everyone but the tiny few is on a downward curve.

I feel sorry for England. At least Scotland can get out.

George Monbiot on Brexit: Capitalism's Civil War - YouTube

Brexit stems from a civil war in capitalism – we are all just collateral damage | Brexit | The Guardian

Like I said before this is not to do with Monbiot. People have been talking about this for years. If you want to know more just put in a search 'Brexit a war of the elites.'

Of course smearing Corbyn and then Covid 19 and even more than that, getting a large section of society to vote for something which is going to harm them has tended to keep the argument just between screming adversities.

 

What was that they said about the EU keeping Europe at peace?

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/brex...rexit-gunships-plan/ar-BB1bS1CR?ocid=msedgntp

 

Dreaming is free....dreaming.....

Don't get caught up in political rhetoric it will only bring you harm. Don't listen to politicians they're an evil drug to make you lose your mind - don't let them inside your mind.
Run away, run away, go
No, no, don't let them in your mind
Protect your soul....

Listen to Ronnie James Dio instead.....

Scotland will be financially phucked six ways from sunday if it "went out". Don't list to political rhetoric it will only let you down

 

I seem to remember from '14 we do have a few things to deter that though of course they would do the best they could to destroy us. You say nothing about what is going to happen to England/the UK? While Westminster may want to harm Scotland just out of spite, it will still need to live in its new situation. Do you not remember last year when it looked like it could be no deal, almost all Parliament were wetting their pants.

Westminster does not want to sign a deal which would stop it having 'Independence'. Hence it cannot agree to the 'level playing field'. I felt inclined to a Brexit if it was along the lines that Corbyn would have made it and one of the main reasons for a Brexit in that situation would be to get out of 'the level playing field' so basically no matter what kind of Government was in, Brexit seems like a loony idea.

Fisheries are another area where the original deal apparently hurt the UK so it would be very hard for them to give up on that one. Equally the EU is not going to give up on its position and they are far bigger than us...which I guess illustrates why leaving ought to have been a non starter.

I think it has managed to get to this point because everyone has been talking about covid 19 not Brexit.

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/brex...ctories-and-fishing/ar-BB1bSDci?ocid=msedgntp

It is expected that there will be significant rises in the price of food which obviously as always will hurt those with the least the most.

 

it seems like rich narcissist are starting to rule the world, I wonder how bad it will have to get before people wake up and say enough is enough

 

To at least some extent this could be due to their having some comprehension of the two factors needed to induce a time of hyper inflation......

1. print a lot of extra money....

2... I will quote a brilliant poster on this forum to explain the second part of the formula ......

 

I am thinking in terms of "Enough is enough" but...... my understanding of that phrase is I suspect, very different from how you would explain how that can be addressed......

I personally invested twenty five k northern pesos is defeating Hillary in 2016.... and I still consider it one of the best investments that I ever made in my life...... even if I still owe twenty four k of the total.... (the final payment was based on conditions that have not yet came to pass)........

http://www.politicalforum.com/index...bt-of-the-usa-be-paid-off-in-one-year.580877/

 

Mark Blyth, Prof Political economics, Brown University believes that German hyperinflation was deliberate. The hyperinflation brought down the debt. Possibly what you and your friend were saying

but I do not see the correlation with Brexit.

 

Obviously Brexit is painfull, but decades of free trade would have destroyed further british economy.

Even if from my point of view, Brexit or not, that doesn't matter, western europe economy will likely collapse.

 

We all will. The current situation where tax payers subsidise Corporate Capitalism has a limited life.

 

Yes, that and other things. Oil, coal, gas and many other are limited ressources and there isn't enough to allow the economy to run at this rate for a very long time, we could also mention that the earth isn't unlimited, and putting concrete on fertile lands isn't the best idea if you seek to feed your population on a long run.

 

It's unlikely that Scotland can reach the financial conditions required to join the EU either.

 

I don't know much about this issue, so that's why I'm asking, but didn't nations much poorer than Scotland join? Like Bulgaria and Romania? So what is Scotland's impediment?

 

The main hurdle would be Scotland's deficit. In the year '18 to '19 it stood at around 7% of GDP. The average in the EU is around 0.9% and the recommended level is below 3%. The UK as a whole is at 1.2%.
In order to meet those requirements Scot's would have to accept big cuts to government spending and the lower standard of living that comes with those cuts.

Scotland is like one of your poorer red states calling for secession from the Union.
Without the money coming from Westminster Scotland would struggle to provide services.

 

Oh God do we have to get started on this already. Ruth Davidsons claim which you are repeating above is not true.

Reality is

cont'd FACT CHECK: Scotland’s 7% deficit – is it the worst in Europe? | The National

 

....the reality is that Scotland only has the option to go to the bond markets in order to borrow for its current level of services; which it would have to do. This is feasible if interest rates remain at 0%.
....the reality is that if Scotland went independent and did not manage to borrow enough services would be decimated because Scotland simply cannot afford the level of jollies it has without the English taxpayer bailouts - anything else is just political snake-oil or more likely just plain delusional.

 

Look I have neither the interest or time to go looking into your nonsense and antipathy towards the country you were born in.

 

To at least some degree.... what happens in England depends on the situation in the USA and the rest of the world.....

here is a truly brilliant documentary that exposes what is going on behind the scenes that most of us would prefer to not know about.... but in order to know the truth.... we do need to know about this. The partially deliberate dampening of the world economy cannot be fully understood without knowing about Malthusian Catastrophe Theory and neo-Malthusianism and its relationship to many of the modern ideas on Environmentalism.


I suspect that the leadership of Brexit... are waiting to see what will be in place in the USA as of January 21, 2021?!

Why Big Oil conquered the world

and....

For the record.. .these ideas are not stupid.... my ancestors and their neighbours and cousins are guilty of shooting, trapping, frying, boiling and barbecuing passenger pigeons into extinction and shooting buffalo from the windows of trains........... "The Elite" have valid reason not trust us commoners with brilliant central banking policy that....... for example.... could transform the rate at which women feel pressured by economics to choose to abort their baby?!

A tiny percentage of humanity have a powerful effect on the ideas.... such as Brexit.... and how those ideas are marketed to commoners like myself. Many of the most influential wealthiest people would NOT like what I wrote here:


Would a Basic Minimum Income dramatically reduce abortions?

I think that COVID 19 has everybody in all nations asking different questions regarding the long term direction that the entire world is going in...... and specifically each individual nation...... that we were not asking as late as one year ago..... so I think that COVID 19 is distracting even the most enthusiastic and active supporters of Brexit.

 

och hen yer arse is oot the windae......

 

I believe in this instince the US had nothing to do with it except after Trump came to power it was the same can we get the far right going in England which to some extent they did succeed but it is among the people fairly limited though of course that could change.

Boris went for Brexit because he saw it as the quickest way of becoming PM which coming from Eton and such a good family was what he should be doing.

Rees Mogg hopes to make a bob or two out of it. He transfered his money out of England into the EU before it was maybe going to happen last year. He is not alone in that. There is a section of the very well off who believe they can make money as Corporate Capitalism, vis a vie Neo Liberalism comes to an end. People who voted for Brexit were wooed into thinking they could get more democracy if we were out of Brexit but that is not going to happen. England has the same problems as the US re its democracy. The EU is certainly not perfect but the thing that was pushed was hoards of brown immigrants who the EU is trying to push in which was a lie as we did not have to go by the EU rules of migration. We had managed to opt out of that.

Funding was by the Hedge Funders. There is apparently a war going on between them and the bankers. The bankers having some consideration for the masses and wanting them to not be beggars but the Hedge Funds not caring a bit about that. The EU has apparently put in some regulations to stop Hedge Funders in their dealings with the EU. I hear most of the funders were American not British. They also have gambled a lot on a No Deal Brexit so I think it is just the usual of those who have taking more which is simply Neo Liberalism. Like with Trump they had worked out all the things to say to people to get them on side. According to an article from the LSE some years ago Brexit was the wrong answer to a real problem. That real problem is Corporate Capitalism or Neo Liberalism and according to that article the reason for Brexit is so that they may try to make as much money as possibly before Neo Liberalism falls.

As far as the Malthusian catastrophe is concerned some time ago I saw a very convincing video done from a Marxist point of view which showed that when Capitalism had reached as far as it could go at one particular time, a war happened till they sorted it out. Then there was plenty of work to be done again and money to be made. Some years since I watched it so can't remember enough. We cannot afford another war. We will all die if we have another war. The US is already destroying the world with the effects on the environment of all its waring...Mind you it is interesting that it tends to be those very people, particularly if they are in the Gas and Oil market and still getting subsidised by Governments who like to lie about the climate situation. War just must be a thing of the past or we can pretty much say goodby to human beings. Again it is interesting because on that level we are again just like we were prior to WW2 but they really cannot try that again. After WW2 it was recognised that we could not just allow unregulated Capitalism and it was recognised how easily Fascism works with Corporate Power which is why even in the US we had mixed economies. Thatcher and Regan followed by Blair went back on this and sent us heading for the very situation which caused WW2 when they thought enough people were dead who I used to hear going crazy in my childhood any time they thought a Monopoly could be emerging.

The 'elite' or Oligarchs are only interested in filling in their own pockets while keeping tabs on the press in order to stop it being a check on democracy. They also are a very tiny amount of people and getting smaller every year. There is one man who claims to be in the 0.1% who is waiting for people to come with their pitchforks towards them. What allows this is that we do not have proper democracy. We, the UK only have centrist/far right parties. Labour is Centrist Right and the Tories are Centrist Right with a good Faction Far Right. We used to be a Democracy and the people rather than the Oligarchs used to fund the Parties and the Parties used to listen to the people. No more. They are now Funded by the Oligarchs and must do what they want....and you will never guess who is in charge of the Press? In the US apparently in the 70's there were 50 different people funding mainstream press. The American People could get most points of views - not communist of course. That would be deportation or jail but nonetheless a great many more than today. Democracy and to a large extent Politics ended with Thatcher/Blair. Blair following on from Thatcher sold our democracy for Neo Liberalism and power. IMO most people are just lemmings nowadays but I do not go with your seeming idea that the 'elite' are best. They only know best about their self interest and to hell with everyone else.

I will agree that having the knowledge of people's needs and weaknesses has allowed both the Bresiters and Trump in the US to manipulate people and I also believe that it is how Dictators get power in a Democracy. I wrote a post on that yesterday and it could be said to be similar in Brexit. We live in a time when the economy is ****ed and people have reason to be scared - whether that is due to them allowing terrorism to scare them or a genuine fear of being able to make a living. We also live in a time when people correctly do not trust the political elite and we have a hated minority - muslims. These are the very things which allowed Fascism to rise in Germany. When people are afraid and cannot rely on making a living it is very easy for politicians to manipulate that to their interest and of course with Corporate Power to get the people to blame the other, rather than the real cause, the economy. Here's what I wrote about how Trump did it.

http://www.politicalforum.com/index...ed-report-finds.582586/page-3#post-1072302788

No. It might occasionally but generally I would say no.

Oh people were a year ago. Economists were expecting a massive recession/depression to happen this year before Covid ever happened. What is more they believed we did not have anything to come out of it with, having used all that putting a plaster on a failed economic system after 2008 so they believed this time it would hit unimaginably hard. I have often thought that Covid was an excellent screen for Politicians to hide behind and one they will use in the future but a total economic crash was expected even without it.

 

Haud yer Wheesht!

 

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The looming questions the Brexit deal didn’t answer
What happens to London’s financiers? What is the future of Northern Ireland? And will Britain’s negotiations with the European Union ever end?
By Adam Taylor

 

Minor details. Getting aboard is the hardest part. Adjusting the stirrups is best done after you've mounted the horse.

 

I cannot get through to your link but this is what I have been hearing

Despite Last-Minute Trade Accord, U.K.'s Brexit Ordeal Is Far From Over - Bloomberg

The possible negative effect on financial services and that effect on our economy was mentioned strongly at the beginning but then went very hush. Ireland has been assumed will result in time as a United Ireland.