Why are illegal aliens released into the interior of the US?

Discussion in 'Immigration' started by chris155au, Aug 29, 2019.

  1. chris155au

    chris155au Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jul 4, 2017
    Messages:
    41,176
    Likes Received:
    4,365
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    I can't see how this can happen when someone is apprehended in the remote desert and then locked up in some remote border location. If there is some rule that the person MUST have legal representation even if they're not claiming asylum, then this is a complete JOKE! Although, is it naive of me to think that any illegal aliens do NOT claim asylum?
     
  2. chris155au

    chris155au Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jul 4, 2017
    Messages:
    41,176
    Likes Received:
    4,365
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    The first three returned didn't they? When illegal aliens are deported, they aren't allowed to return.
     
    Last edited: Sep 18, 2019
  3. LangleyMan

    LangleyMan Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Nov 14, 2017
    Messages:
    44,928
    Likes Received:
    12,503
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    You miss the point--a court review gives the individual a chance to establish their right to be here.
     
  4. chris155au

    chris155au Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jul 4, 2017
    Messages:
    41,176
    Likes Received:
    4,365
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    What's strange about this list is that it doesn't say where they were deported TO. Presumably their birth country, but Emilio Blas Olivo was born in Texas! So where the hell was he deported to?
    What, illegal alien criminals can have a court review to establish their right to not be deported?
     
    Last edited: Sep 19, 2019
  5. LangleyMan

    LangleyMan Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Nov 14, 2017
    Messages:
    44,928
    Likes Received:
    12,503
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    Citizens accused of being an illegal alien may in fact be citizens. Non citizens have no right to be here.
     
    Last edited: Sep 19, 2019
  6. chris155au

    chris155au Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jul 4, 2017
    Messages:
    41,176
    Likes Received:
    4,365
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    What's strange about this list is that it doesn't say where they were deported TO. Presumably their birth country, but Emilio Blas Olivo was born in Texas! So where the hell was he deported to?
     
  7. chris155au

    chris155au Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jul 4, 2017
    Messages:
    41,176
    Likes Received:
    4,365
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    Non-citizen criminals only, right? Obviously legitimate asylum seekers have the right to be there.
     
    Last edited: Sep 20, 2019
  8. FatBack

    FatBack Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Oct 2, 2018
    Messages:
    53,059
    Likes Received:
    49,441
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    PBS is now a 'moron"?

    U.S. releasing undocumented immigrants, but won't say how ...

    https://www.pbs.org › newshour › nation › u-s-releasing-undocumented-i...

    Jun 6, 2014 - The Obama administration is releasing inside the United States ... into the country amid a surge in traffic across the Mexican border in southern Texas. ... Many were then dropped off at bus stations to travel to their original ...
     
    chris155au likes this.
  9. LangleyMan

    LangleyMan Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Nov 14, 2017
    Messages:
    44,928
    Likes Received:
    12,503
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    Beats me. I had 3+ decades of dealing with the education bureaucracy, so I'm not surprised an ICE bonehead might deport a citizen born here.
     
  10. chris155au

    chris155au Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jul 4, 2017
    Messages:
    41,176
    Likes Received:
    4,365
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    My point is, that you can only deport someone if there is another country that they belong to that they can be deported to.
     
  11. kazenatsu

    kazenatsu Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    May 15, 2017
    Messages:
    34,682
    Likes Received:
    11,252
    Trophy Points:
    113
    They wouldn't have deported him if there was clear strong evidence he had been born in Texas.
    Presuming, hypothetically, that he had actually been born in Texas, they would have deported him to his parent's country, presumably Mexico.
    It's not like he doesn't speak Spanish.
     
    Last edited: Sep 26, 2019
  12. kazenatsu

    kazenatsu Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    May 15, 2017
    Messages:
    34,682
    Likes Received:
    11,252
    Trophy Points:
    113
    I may be wrong about this, but I believe the first time they are caught they are immediately deported (unless they contest the deportation).
    Unfortunately the court process is very slow, so they could spend many many months in prison if they choose to contest the deportation and do not just agree to be deported.

    And unfortunately, in many cases, children of parents get caught up in this, because the children do not have a choice, and their parent makes the choice for them. So the children could spend time in a detention center against their will.
     
    chris155au likes this.
  13. kazenatsu

    kazenatsu Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    May 15, 2017
    Messages:
    34,682
    Likes Received:
    11,252
    Trophy Points:
    113
    That's a result of deceitful and misleading media coverage.

    I'm guessing that article is about migrants trying to claim asylum.

    They are pretty much free to leave the country any time they want. They only have to stay in those detention centers if they choose to stay in the country.

    (Ok, it's not exactly like they can just walk out the door, it might take 2 weeks to arrange for them to leave, if for some reason they decided to change their mind, which doesn't happen very often)
     
    Last edited: Sep 26, 2019
    chris155au likes this.
  14. kazenatsu

    kazenatsu Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    May 15, 2017
    Messages:
    34,682
    Likes Received:
    11,252
    Trophy Points:
    113
    The migrants themselves don't want to be deported. They have that option, but between the two choices of being deported and staying in the detention centers, they are choosing to remain in detention centers.
    Trump has just wanted to have them deported, but the Democrats in the House and federal judges are putting up all sorts of resistance to that, claiming (and with some good legal basis) that the US has an obligation under the law to allow them to remain until the veracity of their asylum claim can be determined.

    Of course what the Democrats would love is just to automatically release these people into the interior of the US, no questions asked.
    Now they're trying to say that the detention centers are overcrowded, so the migrants should be released. The issue though is where they would be released.

    I hope that answers your question.
     
    Last edited: Sep 26, 2019
    chris155au likes this.
  15. chris155au

    chris155au Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jul 4, 2017
    Messages:
    41,176
    Likes Received:
    4,365
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    Do they ALL claim asylum?

    My understanding is that they are ALL released once they are processed if they are aliens with no criminal record.
     
    Last edited: Sep 27, 2019
  16. chris155au

    chris155au Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jul 4, 2017
    Messages:
    41,176
    Likes Received:
    4,365
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    They are immediately deported IF they're not claiming asylum, right?
     
  17. kazenatsu

    kazenatsu Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    May 15, 2017
    Messages:
    34,682
    Likes Received:
    11,252
    Trophy Points:
    113
    No, but in recent years political groups (both based in the US and some internationally) have been organizing "caravans" of migrants to attempt to enter the US with the intention of claiming asylum.

    Before the last couple of years, this was much less common. It's sort of become like a new fad.
     
  18. kazenatsu

    kazenatsu Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    May 15, 2017
    Messages:
    34,682
    Likes Received:
    11,252
    Trophy Points:
    113
    If it's their first time illegally entering the country.

    The second time they're caught, the punishment is typically 18 months, the third time they're caught it's typically 6 or 7 years.
    (Those figures might not be exactly correct, but should give you some rough idea what happens)
     
    Last edited: Sep 27, 2019
  19. chris155au

    chris155au Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jul 4, 2017
    Messages:
    41,176
    Likes Received:
    4,365
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    What is the evidence that political groups have been organising them?
     
  20. chris155au

    chris155au Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jul 4, 2017
    Messages:
    41,176
    Likes Received:
    4,365
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    Is it not the case that they are ALL released once they are processed if they are aliens with no criminal record?
     
  21. BillRM

    BillRM Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    May 8, 2016
    Messages:
    6,792
    Likes Received:
    1,704
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    In part so our farmers can get their crops in before they rotted in the fields an other businesses that need their labor such as slaughter houses can keep working.
     
  22. chris155au

    chris155au Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jul 4, 2017
    Messages:
    41,176
    Likes Received:
    4,365
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    That's the government's motivation?
     
  23. jay runner

    jay runner Banned

    Joined:
    Oct 5, 2017
    Messages:
    16,319
    Likes Received:
    10,027
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    Most farming is mechanized and computerized and GPS'ed now. You can farm 5,000 acres sitting at a desk with a couple of operators in the fields doing mundane things like unclogging chutes. Fruits and some vegetables still require some manual work, but with advancements in robotics that will soon be gone, and fruits & some vegetables can be imported to meet the need -- a big piece already is being imported.
     
    Last edited: Sep 28, 2019
  24. chris155au

    chris155au Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jul 4, 2017
    Messages:
    41,176
    Likes Received:
    4,365
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    What's that got to do with whether or not it is the government's motivation?
     

Share This Page