Why are people in the middle east considered white?

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  1. The Amazing Sam's Ego

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    I dont understand why people from North Africa, the middle east, and even parts of south and central asia, are considered white. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mediterranean_race

    Heres another chart from Wikipedia (the red and pink on the map show areas where whites live.)

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    Some people say that people in southern europe are olive skinned, but are still considered white, but most Italians I know (with a few exceptions) dont even look remotely middle eastern, even the ones who are olive skinned. And while some Turkish people look European, for the most part, people who live in Europe and people who live in North Africa/middle east look nothing alike. And, the reason that some (a few, most of them dont )southern europeans look olive skinned, is because middle eastern countries invaded parts of Europe hundreds of years ago, and there is a mixture of genes in that region. It's not because Europeans (who are white) naturally look that way.

    I do not mean this question in a racist way at all. It's simply a question about why certain people in certain regions are racially classified a certain way. Here are a few google photos of people from Egypt (egyptians are arabs, who are considered white), and yemen, and people from israel. I dont see why are they considered white, since they look nothing like Europeans, even southern europeans.

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    The distribution of Haplogroup R1a (above) shows how the Indo-Europeans spread from Europe to the Middle East and the frequencies of R1a are as high as 51-64% in Afghanistan or North India, where the Indo-Europeans originated.

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    Its sister haplogroup R1b is widely distributed from Turkey to Iran and anyone who belongs to R1a or R1b is not genetically different from Europeans. This Kurdish girl (below) closely resembles Emma Watson and a study found that most Britons are direct descendants of farmers who left modern day Iraq and Syria 10,000 years ago.

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    If brown skinned toned Italians can be considered "white", why not people in the middle east?

    Regardless, I don't see why there seems to be such a ridiculous obsession with who is white and who is not white.
     
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    It's more of a were/are sometimes (which is telling in itself). It seems to me to be determined by whether it suits the predetermined socio-political conclusion the categoriser is trying to reach. I've rarely found defining people by skin colour particularly valid, especially on these "fuzzy edges".
     
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    Obviously 'middle easterners' are not so- called white. It's more of an invitation by so- called white academia, in their pursuit of it's revisionist history, to try and convert 'middle easterners' to the white saviour industrial complex
     
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    the Middle East is a mosaic.

    there are light skin Caucasians, darker Caucasians, and black Africans.

    its the cross-roads of three continents, don't ya know.
     
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    but yes, it is stupid to consider all Arabs/Persians/Kurds/Berbers, to be white.

    some of them are...some of them are not.
     
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    On the other hand, the proportion of Haplogroup E is up to 40% in the Egyptian population, while Haplogroup R1a and R1b only make up 3.4% and 4.1% respectively, and genetic evidence suggests that ancient Egypt was ruled by an Indo-European minority (R1b) and the majority of the ancient Egyptians were indigenous Africans. The female lineage of the Berber populations is around 14-20% Indo-European based on the frequencies of Haplogroup H (mtDNA), which is considered as Western European mtDNA prevalent in the Iberian Peninsula (up to 25.5%). But Haplogroup E1b1b is the main Berber genetic marker (80-85%) and the Berbers are genetically much closer to sub-Saharan Africans.
     
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    the reason some italians are brown skinned, is because centuries ago, the moors and people from the middle east invaded parts of italy, so probably some Italians have their genes. As a general rule, people in Italy and southwest asia look nothing alike. Here is a photo of some famous italian americans (italians are white). Most of them dont resemble middle eastern people-not just because of color, but also because of their facial features.

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    'caucasian race' is the retreat of white supremacy that got so utterly ridiculed during the 80's -90's for using the term white race.
     
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    yes, Al Pacino, who is italian descent, sicilian and very much looks like the modern day arabs of Iraq and Saudi Arabia. He looks half Iraqi half italian.
     
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    Hannibal is responsible for the dark skinned southern Italians. He and his army invaded that country and occupied it for many years. They must have left lots of little mixed babies. Hannibal was AFRICAN.
     
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    So why do people say "some italians are dark and tan" to argue that arabs and middle eastern people, despite being olive skinned, are also white, if the darkness in some Italians probably comes from genes that got mixed in from conquests years ago? Europeans (white) dont usually look like that, even in southern europe.
     
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    im not familiar with that 'argument'. also im not quite sure what that is supposed to mean. :/
     
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    People on this thread say, "dark skinned italians are still considered white", to counterargue my claim that middle eastern people arent white because they dont have light skin like Europeans. I think mentioning Italians is a weak arguement, because (A) most Italians look white and arent dark and (B)-the only reason some Italians are dark is because their genes are partially mixed with the middle eastern genes that exist because of the invasions centuries ago.
     
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    hmm. they sound like racists. theyre not very smart obviously, thats why they are racists as racism is a pure sign of ignorance. its best to tackle these types on an individual basis as some are dumber than others and may just be best ignored. the persistent racist is generally looking to be educated and so come across aggressive just to get your attention, they are seeking help/knowledge
     
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    darker italians used to not be considered white.

    today they are, though some of them especially from the south of the boot and Sicily, are clearly a mixture of Caucasian and North African ancestry.
     
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    yes, and many North Africans are darker Caucasian, not black African.

    look at the Berbers and Arabs.
     
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    The only people who have an over active interest in whether someone is white, black etc etc are those that wish to make believe it creates differences in intellect etc and that agenda is not to inform it is to demean.

    There is only one race .. the human race.
     
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    What is the technical definition of Caucasian? Many tan skinned italians and greeks are still considered whites, but many people of Native American/latino descent, light skinned blacks, light skinned indians, are the same skin color as them, but they still arent considered white. Other than skin color, what else defines whiteness?
     
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    Those who are considered genetically white should carry West Eurasian haplogroups such as R1a, R1b, I, G, J and K, while Haplogroup E is strongly associated with sub-Saharan Africans and East Asians typically belong to Haplogroup C as well as D and O. The ancient Greeks were North Africans with Haplogroup E and its frequencies still reach up to 35% in some parts of Greece but we traditionally treated the Greeks as white Europeans due to their cultural contribution to Western civilisation. Similarly, the average frequency of Haplogroup E3b1 in Italy is 9.9% and one in ten Italians have remote North African ancestry. The ancient Italians' haplogroup was R1b3 (26%) but Haplogroup I (10.2%) was introduced after Northern Italy was occupied by German mercenaries in the Roman era and Haplogroup I associated with the Germanic peoples is only present among Italians in the North.

     
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    good question, you'll never get an informative answer though. its a completely arbitrary construct. what defines whiteness is whatever the racist wants to define it as, then you can educate on the ignorance of it.
     
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    I guess just reading some of the posts on this forum would be enough for people.

    You have posts like this.....
    Pretty sad, but this is exactly what you see in real life...."I don't like brown people, but how do I get that brazilian butt...." :roflol:
     
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    so how do you define blackness?
     

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