Why are people in the middle east considered white?

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  1. mikemikev

    mikemikev Banned

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    Yeah "racist racist racist". If you quit the childish name calling we could debate.
     
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    The Amazing Sam's Ego Banned at Members Request

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    Where did you read that study from? Recent genetic studies have shown 75% of Jews are descendants of, and genetically related to, Middle Eastern people. Jews are descendants of the ancient Hebrews in Judea. http://www.jewishheritagemonth.com/...sts-75-of-jews-share-roots-in-middle-east.php
     
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    There is no evidence to suggest Jewish ppl are related to biblical Israelites through bloodline (genetics)
     
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    oh yeah, how could you know?

    got the DNA of an ancient Israelite to compare to?
     
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    How do you know? What do you think happened to the Jews in the diaspora-they just vanished into thin air?
     
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    I'm saying there is no DNA of the biblical Israelites for us to find a match. They didnt vanish into thin air, you have to look in the right place. The only way to identify the biblical Israelites is to read Deuteronomy and see whose description it matches
     
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    Which people today are descendants of the ancient Hebrews, in your opinion?
     
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    My opinion doesn't matter, dust off those holy scriptures and find out for yourself, you will be surprised, it's the greatest story never told
     
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    DNA has shown the vast majority (75%) of Jews are middle eastern. What other mid eastern group could they be related to-if not the Israelties? The ancient Israelites started Judaism.
     
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    indeed, DNA evidence suggests that Jews moved to southeastern Europe and took non-Jews as wives, and this makes up the majority of European Jewish genetics.

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    bull(*)(*)(*)(*) nonesense.
     
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    So why would their kids be considered Jewish if you need a Jewish mother to be Jewish?
     
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    Biblical Israelites were a patriarch society not the Jewish matriarch, there's another clue, Jewish ppl don't even hide the fact
     
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    Jews became matriarchal around the time after the Roman exile.

    why? because being raped by Roman soldier should not strip one of their Jewishness.
     
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    This reads like a parody. Obviously racial differences don't make any human "not human". Luckily literally nobody said otherwise so it's a lame irrelevant strawman. My argument may be "racism". Acknowledging the valid race concept may be "racism" according to you. Sadly calling things vague names is not any kind of counter argument. Is the concept of atoms "atomism"? So what? Obviously most of the DNA is shared and not correlated to race. This is the same for subspecies, species. Hell, I think we share most of our DNA with bananas. However, some portion of the genome varies by race. This is what the race concept refers to. We haven't found many genes for IQ, or height. We will do. And "Hitler slaughered [sic] the Jews based upon racism", LMAO. Real scientific. Not lame emotive rhetoric.
     
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    The Jewish mother thing is a late construct.. after the Babylonian exile... See Ezra.. Consider that the GGGrandmother of Jesus was a Moahabite.
     
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    That could be true, but Ezra railed against foreign wives and insisted the Jewish men divorce them and set aside those children.
     
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    Yes. "Stamp collector" also refers to culture not race. What's your point? How do you know Hispanic doesn't refer to race (which it doesn't) if you can't define race, which is defined by ancestry, as you of course know. My only question is whether these people are intentionally lying or suffering some episode of self-delusional doublethink. It's incredible that such obvious BS is propagated.
     
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    Citing a Zionist Jewish source as opposed to a scientific source is noted. The Zionists claim that the European (Ashkenazi) Jews that were persecuted by the Nazis came from the Middle East but genetically they didn't.

    http://www.livescience.com/40247-ashkenazi-jews-have-european-genes.html

    Judaism is actually cultural and not racial in context. There is little genetic difference between the Arabs and the Jews of the Middle East while there is little genetic commonality between the Middle Eastern Jews and the European Jews that immigrated to Israel beginning with the British Mandate and those that immigrated after WW II. There is a cultural and religious linkage but not a genetic linkage.

    There is also little support for the claims of "disporia" by the Zionists as history documents the Jews were not forced from Judea but instead immigrated naturally from the region to "greener pastures" when the opporunity presented itself. Always remember that basically Judea is a desert and there are much better places for people to live. When the Romans, for example, took control of Judea it opened up all of the Roman lands for the Jews of Judea to immigrate to and most left the deserts of Judea. Many of the immigrants, predominately men, took as wives the native women of the regions they moved to creating a diverse genetic pool where the women were almost always from the native population. The men passed the Jewish culture to their wives but the genetic pool reflects the ancient Europeans.

    Always remember that the Jewish culture is of matriarchal and not patriarchal descent. If the mother is Jewish then the child is Jewish but if the mother is not Jewish but the father is the child is not Jewish. That is why the mitochondrial DNA is of such importance. The child where the mother was not Jewish became a convert to Judaism as they were not born Jewish. They were converts to Judaism based upon the religious and cultural beliefs of the father and "racially" they were the descendents of the mother.

    Today there is no Jewish race and historically there was never a Jewish race. This is juxtaposed to the propaganda of the Zionists that claim the descent of European Jews from Judea. It is a lie that genetics expose.
     
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    "Racism" at least from the American perspective relates to more than just the invidious classification of "race" invented by the racists. It also include religion and ethnic heritage as well. From the American perspective it relates to all "non-WASPs" and our history of immigration laws is perhaps the best example of this. While we're limited immigration for Catholics, Jews, Chinese, Hispanics, and many other invidious classifications we've never limited WASP immigration to the United States. Our limitations on immigration have always targeted "non-WASPs" to prevent their immigration to the United States and they're based upon WASP racism agianst "non-WASPs" but few seem to understand that fact.
     
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    So you pretend race doesn't exist because you don't like North West Europeans owning land?
     
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    race really doesn't exist, its a human construct to divide the human species.
     
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    Explain why race doesn't exist.
     
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    how about you define race first.
     
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    Shared ancestry or genetic similarity.

    Btw how could you say race didn't exist without a definition? :confusion:
     
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    all humans share ancestry before 50,000 years ago.

    all humans are 99.999% genetically identical.
     

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