Why are people in the middle east considered white?

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  1. tecoyah

    tecoyah Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Race would be the result of environmental exposures over very long time frames, combined with genetic isolation and limited reproduction outside the area leading to adaptation within a population that differentiates it from populations outside the geographic area. This isolation and environment also effects cultural aspects of the humans who dwell there.
     
  2. mikemikev

    mikemikev Banned

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    Your statements are false and even if correct do not invalidate race. Humans share more or less ancestry. So they can be grouped by ancestry. Humans also differ genetically. They can be grouped by genetic similarity. These are no brainers.

    Anti Whites want to pretend "race doesn't exist". Often they are from the same tribe that treasonously facilitated Muslim invasions of Europe throughout history.
     
  3. Ronstar

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    you haven't proven that race exists.

    we share geographic ancestry to Africa.

    we share 99.99% of our genetics.

    now, are you going to defend your position that race actually exists as a scientific fact?

    cause my friend, as far as science is concerned, "race" is nothing but an old pseudo-scientific fairy tale developed by ignorant bigots, who wanted to make believe that the human species had clear behavioral divisions along skin color.
     
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    FACT: "race" used to refer to linguistic and national groups. Folks spoke of the "Irish race", the "Jewish race", the "Chinese race".

    then, the pseudo-scientists instead decided that "race" should instead be used to classify humans along lines of skin color, and of course these classifications were put within a hierarchy, with whites on top, asians in the middle, and blacks on the bottom.

    where were whites from? well the Caucusas of course, which is where the pseudo-scientists decided were the most attractive people on Earth.

    its all bunk
     
  5. mikemikev

    mikemikev Banned

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    In fact I have proven race exists, lame assertions to the contrary aside.

    Ancestry exists. Race can be defined by ancestry.

    Genetic similarity exists. Race can be defined by genetic similarity.

    Have fun showing ancestry or genetic similarity "don't exist".
     
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    Muslims are not a race.............. Islam is a religion.. Arabs are not a race.. They are Semites... a language group.. Humankind has been on the move for over 130,000 years, BTW.
     
  7. Ronstar

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    actually, you didn't.

    you suggested common ancestry proves race, and yet all of our human ancestors came from Africa.

    you suggests common genetics proves race, and yet we are all 99.99% alike.


    next you will say that phenotypes prove race, such as skin color. Well, Many Asians have light skin, just like Europeans. So Europeans and Asians are the same race?

    next you'll argue that skull shape, nose shape, hair texture proves race...and yet whites and folks from the Indian subcontinent are very similar in this regard, but not in skin tone. so we are all the same race?

    meanwhile, whites and blacks have more in common as far as blood type, than whites and Asians.


    once the race-theorists are forced to get into the nitty-gritty of their claim, they fail miserably.
     
  8. mikemikev

    mikemikev Banned

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    Can you link to where I made statements to the contrary or are you just patronising a strawman to appear superior?
     
  9. mikemikev

    mikemikev Banned

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    Obviously the simple distinction between one common ancient ancestor and 100% the same ancestry eludes you. Presumably you think you have the same ancestry as your cousin because of "Africa".
     
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    do you accept that all humans descend from the same group of humans that left East Africa?
     
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    mikemikev Banned

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    No, some have Neanderthal ancestry. Also OOA theory is quite speculative ATM.

    Anyway, let's pretend I do. So what?
     
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    so how can you then justify your race hypothesis?
     
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    Because humans changed over 50,000 years?
     
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    true, but there are no hard barriers between skin color, hair color/texture, eye color, skull shape, height, etc.

    if one traveled from central Africa to the Middle East to Europe, one would see a gradual lightening of skin and eyes, straightening of hair, etc.

    the race-hypothesis suggests hard core, distinct seperations, while the evidence shows that opposite.
     
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    mikemikev Banned

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    Strawman lie.

    In fact race defined by ancestry or genetic similarity produces distinct clusters.

    Skin color clinality is just irrelevant.
     
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    if all that existed were the extreme of white people (white skin, blond hair, blue eyes) the extreme of asians (light skin black hair, black eyes) and extreme blacks (black skin, hair, eyes) and nothing in between, the race hypothesizers might have a point.

    but the human species is like a rainbow with gradual adjustments form dark to light, not a tri-polar reality.
     
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    You asked me to define race, I defined it, now you're arguing with your stawman "skin color" definition. Have fun with that.
     
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    how can race exist, if there is a gradual changing of phenotypes as one moves from Africa to Europe?

    and from Europe to Asia?
     
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    There isn't. There is a major discontinuity between Burma and Bangladesh, and North Africa and SS Africa. Also within Caucasoids between Greeks and Turks.
     
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    Race-theorists act as though all people on this planet look like one of these 4 people:

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    sorry race-theorists, but there are zillions of shades of eye color, skin color, hair texture, skull shape, in between these four extremes of so-called "racial" phenotypes.

    and that's what destroys the race hypothesis.
     
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    wrong. The average Turk looks like the average Greek, though maybe..maybe...a wee bit darker.

    from Turkey, to Kurdistan, to Syria, Lebanon, Palestine, Egypt, you see a gradual darkening of the average population.

    which proves my point.
     
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    mikemikev Banned

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    Nope. People really do mostly match one of those.
     
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    that's a very ignorant and unintelligent thing to say. there are billions of people that do NOT look JUST like one of these people, in terms of eye color, hair color, hair texture, skull shape.

    I know your race-hypothesis relies on laziness & convenient grouping of peoples into nice little boxes of identity, but reality isn't that lazy or simple.
     
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    No, you are quite wrong. Most of the billion Chinese look pretty much like that guy, etc.
     
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    most Chinese are Han, but 10% are not.

    that's more than 100 million people, bro.

    but yes, I know that your ideas & agendas depend on all human beings being put into covenient little boxes of racial identity, even though science, anthropology, biology, and reality shows the contrary.

    ;)
     

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