Why Are Pro-Abort-Feminists So Angry?

Discussion in 'Abortion' started by XXJefferson#51, Mar 7, 2020.

  1. FoxHastings

    FoxHastings Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jan 29, 2014
    Messages:
    46,441
    Likes Received:
    15,455
    Trophy Points:
    113
    FoxHastings said:
    What right have "we' to take money from PP ?"""""

    PROVE someone is killing "babies" and do your civic, and legal, duty and report them....

    WHY HAVEN'T YOU??????


    BTW, I didn't see anything in your article that says the US is the best..."""""""""""""""""


    No federal money is used for abortions, the Hyde Act prevents that...
     
    Last edited: May 21, 2020
  2. Bluesguy

    Bluesguy Well-Known Member Donor

    Joined:
    Jun 13, 2010
    Messages:
    111,453
    Likes Received:
    20,434
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    They certainly aren't saving them you have to be proved they are killed in the abortion? What do you think happens to them. It's the goal and the outcome. And the pro-abortion even opposes saving them even if they are accidentally born.

    What's to report you on the pro-abortion side keep it, abortion, legal.

    So stop trying to take the higher ground about funding healthcare for the unborn baby when in fact you support being able to kill those unborn babies


    PP didn't qualify for PPP money but they got $80M. They need to send it back.
     
    Last edited: May 21, 2020
  3. VotreAltesse

    VotreAltesse Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Mar 1, 2017
    Messages:
    5,506
    Likes Received:
    2,578
    Trophy Points:
    113
    You're argument is a dead end. I'm moderatly for the right to abort but globally pro abort people annoy me. The point of anti abortion people is that they consider that the life of a human being begin at conception.
    In other words, they consider that you Doofenshmirtz is as much a human being than an embryo. If you consider things that way, the mother is not dealing with her body but with the body of another human being, a life as deserving of respect than the one of the mother.

    I tend to consider that human life begin fully when the embryo developp a brain. People who defend abortion tend to consider that a baby as long as it is in the womb of his mother is just a thing that can be handled as an object. That's quite dehumanizing.

    We could argue that considering people as objects is the same process that happen during slavery.

    The question is : what make you a human being and not a foetus ? What define human life ?

    Considering life, I would quote wikipedia :
    So basically, there is no consensus on how to define life.

    Defining human life as beginning at conception, when the heart beat or when we start to detect brain activity, all of that is purely arbitrary.
    I can't argue that the fact I consider human being truly beginning when there is a basic brain activity is more worthy than the definition of anti abortion people that claim it begin at conception.
    I'm not christian so I don't believe in soul and tend to consider more brain activity as relevant, but it's pure subjectivity.

    That's why debate about abortion can't be resolved. You have to agree on a definition of human life.
     
  4. FoxHastings

    FoxHastings Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jan 29, 2014
    Messages:
    46,441
    Likes Received:
    15,455
    Trophy Points:
    113

    That incoherent mess still did not answer nor address:

    What right have "we' to take money from PP ?"""""

    PROVE someone is killing "babies" and do your civic, and legal, duty and report them....

    WHY HAVEN'T YOU??????

    Killing BABIES is against the law......so WHY haven't you reported there are people killing BABIES??

    DON'T BLAME OTHERS FOR YOUR INACTION, TAKE PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY AND CALL THE POLICE...




    BTW, I didn't see anything in your article that says the US is the best..."""""""""""""""""


    No federal money is used for abortions, the Hyde Act prevents that...
     
  5. FoxHastings

    FoxHastings Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jan 29, 2014
    Messages:
    46,441
    Likes Received:
    15,455
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Yes, it is dehumanizing to women to be treated as nothing but an incubator, a baby making machine.
    It is dehumanizing to women to be told they have less rights than their developing fetus, an entity that can't think or feel.



    There is NO question....being BORN makes you no longer a fetus.


    The issue has been solved, women have the same rights as anyone else... like the right to bodily autonomy.....and abortion is a legal medical procedure as it should be.
     
    Last edited: May 22, 2020
  6. Bluesguy

    Bluesguy Well-Known Member Donor

    Joined:
    Jun 13, 2010
    Messages:
    111,453
    Likes Received:
    20,434
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    Are you saying that a life in the womb is not killed in an abortion.................I have shown you over and over and over it is a baby, an unborn baby in the womb and you have never refuted stop being obtuse. Thanks to you and your fellow pro-abortionist it is LEGAL to kill unborn babies and even born babies are not required to be saved to spare me your sudden concern for taking care of babies in the womb.
     
  7. Doofenshmirtz

    Doofenshmirtz Well-Known Member Donor

    Joined:
    Jan 21, 2016
    Messages:
    11,806
    Likes Received:
    7,471
    Trophy Points:
    113
    I respect your beliefs up to the point of forcing it on others. There are thousands of children with brain activity that will never see the inside of a permanent, loving home. Those who really care for human life can adopt. Sadly, most only care about their image. My "dead end" argument is the law of the land.
     
  8. FoxHastings

    FoxHastings Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jan 29, 2014
    Messages:
    46,441
    Likes Received:
    15,455
    Trophy Points:
    113

    Then :PROVE someone is killing "babies" and do your civic, and legal, duty and report them....

    WHY HAVEN'T YOU??????

    Killing BABIES is against the law......so WHY haven't you reported there are people killing BABIES??

    DON'T BLAME OTHERS FOR YOUR INACTION, TAKE PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY AND CALL THE POLICE...
     
  9. VotreAltesse

    VotreAltesse Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Mar 1, 2017
    Messages:
    5,506
    Likes Received:
    2,578
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Foetus start to think or feel starting 22 weeks. And again, you don't get what's the topic. So what make you a fully human being for you is to be able to think and feel. I agree with that.
    But again there is no way you can prove that your definition is better than the one of an anti abortion individual, that life start at conception.

    We agree both that the definition of a human being go with consciousness but again I don't know anything that could prove my saying. It's just a personnal belief.



    Complete bullshit. I've seen babies born after 6 month of pregnancy, plot twist : they weren't less human than you. So why would they be in the womb of their mother ?

    And again. You aren't able to prove that the children inside the womb of her mother isn't human. From the perspective of an anti abortion you're murdering an individual as precious than you and me.

    I stay for the right of abortion in the 3 first weeks (brain activity concern), even if I consider the act as tragic. I'm quite considering seeing some people trying to further the limit.

    You're absolutly blind to a fact : @Bluesguy consider that a foetus is as much a human being than you. The fact they aren't considering as such by law is something else.
    You pretend that human life truly begin when you have feeling and consciousness, Bluesguy pretend it's at conception. As far as I know, none of you would ever be able to prove their definition of where human life truly begin.

    That's an interesting point. Is life precious even if people suffer ? Is death (or non life) a better alternative to suffering ?
    I agree that adoption is one of the greatest thing you can do.

    Globally the topic of abortion is really captivating because it's about important questions like this : what's human life ? Should we prevent people to live a life of suffering ?
     
  10. Doofenshmirtz

    Doofenshmirtz Well-Known Member Donor

    Joined:
    Jan 21, 2016
    Messages:
    11,806
    Likes Received:
    7,471
    Trophy Points:
    113
    The reality is that abortion laws failed long before the internet and abortion drugs. There is no way to enforce them and numbers would only drop on paper. Its equivalent to closing ones eyes. Those with a genuine concern can step up and adopt.
     
  11. Bluesguy

    Bluesguy Well-Known Member Donor

    Joined:
    Jun 13, 2010
    Messages:
    111,453
    Likes Received:
    20,434
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    I don't "pretend" it's a biological fact. Once there is conception a new biological life, a being who has never existed before is created and begins it's life. It has happened that way for every human who has ever existed.
     
  12. Bluesguy

    Bluesguy Well-Known Member Donor

    Joined:
    Jun 13, 2010
    Messages:
    111,453
    Likes Received:
    20,434
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    Lack of response noted and typical.
     
  13. VotreAltesse

    VotreAltesse Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Mar 1, 2017
    Messages:
    5,506
    Likes Received:
    2,578
    Trophy Points:
    113
    That's the point.
    You consider a human is a full human being at conception.
    I tend to consider that before consciousness appear, it's more a potential of a human being. The potential of a human being is worthy of respect but I don't think it's equal to a full human being. We could compare that to a (fertilized) chicken egg, not yet a chicken but definitively all the potential of it.

    Both of those are arbitrary.
    Considering a human being as a full human at conception being tend to be an opinion more shared by religious people, who tend to consider that life is more about consciousness.
    When you consider that it's when a brain appear, it's often more shared by materialist, people who think that reality is just atoms, without inherent value.

    I don't pretend that I would convince you with my position. My point isn't really to convince, but I think it's a pity that pro abortion right and anti abortion right people don't understand each other better.
     
  14. FoxHastings

    FoxHastings Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jan 29, 2014
    Messages:
    46,441
    Likes Received:
    15,455
    Trophy Points:
    113


    And THAT is the cut off point (23 weeks). It cannot think or feel before that...
    Which is what I said HERE:

    FoxHastings said:
    Yes, it is dehumanizing to women to be treated as nothing but an incubator, a baby making machine.
    It is dehumanizing to women to be told they have less rights than their developing fetus, an entity that can't think or feel.


    To be a legal person one has to be BORN.


    If that's what they believe they should explain how NON living people procreate.



    No, we both don't agree. A human fetus is always human(adjective) but NOT A human being (noun) as in legal person

    UH DUHH, life has stages...before birth one is a fetus , after one is born one is no longer a fetus....good GAWD , it's simple biology!


    SHOW EXACTLY WHERE I EVER SAID IT WASN'T...hint: I NEVER DID.


    From the perspective of LAW, it isn't.





    The limit HAS been furthered, it's 23 weeks.....DUH, some women don't even know they're pregnant at 3 weeks !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    AGAIN, I NEVER SAID THAT....if you have to misinterpret my words to make a point, you have no point!


    Life began millions of years ago....
     
    Last edited: May 22, 2020
  15. FoxHastings

    FoxHastings Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jan 29, 2014
    Messages:
    46,441
    Likes Received:
    15,455
    Trophy Points:
    113

    I asked

    FoxHastings said:
    Then :PROVE someone is killing "babies" and do your civic, and legal, duty and report them....

    WHY HAVEN'T YOU??????

    Killing BABIES is against the law......so WHY haven't you reported there are people killing BABIES??

    DON'T BLAME OTHERS FOR YOUR INACTION, TAKE PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY AND CALL THE POLICE...
    """


    And NO answer yet he says """Lack of response noted and typical"""


    My, my aren't some confused....LOL!
     
  16. Bluesguy

    Bluesguy Well-Known Member Donor

    Joined:
    Jun 13, 2010
    Messages:
    111,453
    Likes Received:
    20,434
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    I have repeatedly demonstrated to you there is an unborn baby in the womb, don't deny I haven't so once again I find it a little disingenuous on your part and the part of the pro-abortion side to try and attack the pro-life/Republican side of not caring about babies when in fact you side supports killing the unborn ones. There's nothing that needs to be "proved" that has been already, multiple times.
     
  17. Bluesguy

    Bluesguy Well-Known Member Donor

    Joined:
    Jun 13, 2010
    Messages:
    111,453
    Likes Received:
    20,434
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    It's not a mere consideration, it's called science, biology. A new life, a new being begins at the moment of conception not some arbitrary self-servingly made up goal post down the road of that life.

    It is a living unique being before that and we have human beings alive today who are displaying no consciousness because they are in a coma, that is not a measure of life.

    The moment of conception, the beginning of a new life is NOT arbitrary it is quite measurable and observable.


    It is not a "consideration", it is a human being at that stage of a human beings life that EVERY unique human being as passed through.

    But feel free to discuss it that's what we do here. Put your positions to the test how do they stand up to reason and logic and science and ethics and morality?
     
  18. Bluesguy

    Bluesguy Well-Known Member Donor

    Joined:
    Jun 13, 2010
    Messages:
    111,453
    Likes Received:
    20,434
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    cc
    No one forces a woman to have intercourse except in a rape which is an almost immeasurable reason for abortion.

    upload_2020-5-22_19-38-30.png
    https://www.guttmacher.org/pubs/psrh/full/3711005.pdf

    So stop with the women are being forced to be incubators emotional nonsense.
     
  19. FoxHastings

    FoxHastings Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jan 29, 2014
    Messages:
    46,441
    Likes Received:
    15,455
    Trophy Points:
    113
    I asked

    FoxHastings said:
    Then :PROVE someone is killing "babies" and do your civic, and legal, duty and report them....

    WHY HAVEN'T YOU??????

    Killing BABIES is against the law......so WHY haven't you reported there are people killing BABIES??

    DON'T BLAME OTHERS FOR YOUR INACTION, TAKE PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY AND CALL THE POLICE...
    """


    And NO answer yet he says """Lack of response noted and typical"""


    My, my aren't some confused....LOL!
     
  20. FoxHastings

    FoxHastings Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jan 29, 2014
    Messages:
    46,441
    Likes Received:
    15,455
    Trophy Points:
    113
    ...and I never said they did....:)…………... just another diversion to try to hide the FACT that you can't answer my questions ????
     

Share This Page