Why are pro choicers afraid to fight it out state by state?

Why? There was 50 years of Supreme Court support for abortion - stare decisis.

And, there has been no legally valid argument against same sex marriage presented in the many states that did decide this issue both in the courts and the legislatures.

More than 60% of Catholics and mainline protestants support same sex marriage. The only real segment that opposes same sex marriage comes from conservative evangelical Christians. The result is that the majority of Americans support same sex marriage.

There is just no excuse for conservative evangelicals to decide whether other people are allowed to be seen as married before the court.

 

And now there isn't. See how y'all got ****ed by buying into the whole "settled law" horse puckey?

There's no reason for the government to have any say in who gets married. Get the government the **** out of the equation.

 

In this case, congress would have had to amend the constitution, a long process that is almost certain to fail, just to further support a decision that has stood the test of 50 years of SC rulings. And, that is just plain ridiculous.

Simply passing a law would be pointless. Congress is NOT stronger than the SC when it comes to the law. The SC has judicial review.

Plus, there is NO principal suggesting that congress should pay attention to its own past acts or refrain from being fickle. In fact, congress doesn't even really need to give a crap about the constitution.

 

Congress can't amend the Constitution.

 

OK, here's how it works:

Congress drafts a proposed amendment as a joint resolution.

That must then pass each of the sides of congress by a 2/3 majority.

The executive branch is not involved in any way.

The Office of the Federal Register then assembles a package of information including the proposed amendment for dissemination to the governor of each state.

From there, it must be ratified by 3/4 of the states - as decided by the state legislators or by state conventions called for the purpose, as per the state's governor.

The ratification is then sent by the governor to the OFR, which is responsible for certifying the ratifications and notifying the nation and others when the 3/4 limit is reached.

A state may oppose the amendment, but it isn't necessary to notify of that decision.

Seriously, I assumed that people on this board are serious enough that I wouldn't have to write all that.

 

I know how it works. If you did, you should have said so, instead of saying Congress should amend the Constitution.

 

YOU were the one to suggest that it was stupid to rely on the SC, and thus should have taken action in congress.

So, I pointed out that congress is FAR LESS held to consistent adherence to decisions on law than is the SC.

And, the other way they have is via constitutional amendment.

I was not really sure if you actually thought that laws passed by congress had more staying power than the SC+constitution.

 

I said that Congress should have codified abortion. That would have made it harder for the court to overturn the law. Because it would have been, you know, an actual law.

 

LOL, what?
Pro choice is no choice of any kind according to you? LOL.

 

There is no possibility of supporting that idea.

Remember that this case got to the SC because it had lost in lower court decisions up through appellate courts that WERE affected by state and local law.

Having a federal law on abortion would not have been any safer in any way.

Remember that the SC has judicial review. If they don't believe a federal law guiding a case before them is constitutional, they can strike it.

 

So a person's right to body autonomy should be a personal choice. Got it. I agree.

 

Doesn't the constitution grant said rights to people/persons/human beings?
Is something not yet born defined as any of the above?

 

No they don't. They just have the option based on the pregnant person and doctors choice.
It's not planning on killing anyone.

 

FoxHastings said: ↑
NOPE the Unborn Victims of Violence Act does NOT make fetuses legal persons.

NO where in the Act does it give fetuses the rights of the born.....try to give a fetus a SSN...or count it in the census...you can't.

CALL it anything you want but :

NOPE the Unborn Victims of Violence Act does NOT make fetuses legal persons.

NO where in the Act does it give fetuses the rights of the born.....try to give a fetus a SSN...or count it in the census...you can't.

 

It literally gives unborn children the right to life just like anyone else.

 

FoxHastings said: ↑
NOPE the Unborn Victims of Violence Act does NOT make fetuses legal persons.

NO where in the Act does it give fetuses the rights of the born.....try to give a fetus a SSN...or count it in the census...you can't.



CALL it anything you want but :

NOPE the Unborn Victims of Violence Act does NOT make fetuses legal persons.

NO where in the Act does it give fetuses the rights of the born.....try to give a fetus a SSN...or count it in the census...you can't.

Nope, it deems them victims, not persons with rights....try to give a fetus a SSN...or count it in the census...you can't.

BTW, WOMEN have the right to life.

 

Your views and mine on this topic are more similar than different, however, there are people in jail right now for murdering a fetus. There have been people put to death for murdering a fetus. This means, at some point along the way, we have deemed fetuses as persons. One cannot murder a non-person.

 

Not at all.

What it is, is a misnomer.

 

Liberal politicians won’t fight it out state to state for the same reasons they haven’t passed a law in congress codifying abortion in the last 50 years even though they’ve practically owned congress for most of that time.
They won’t fight it because it’s not popular with most Americans. There’s not enough support among ordinary Americans.
Democrats have used Roe as a carrot stick. Now the carrot stick is gone and they have to actually win elections. That’s just too much work unless they cheat.

 

Perhaps they believe that Americans should not have government interference in their lives and their state happens to be in America.

 

How can we agree on anything if you haven't read my post?

FoxHastings said: ↑


CALL it anything you want but :

NOPE the Unborn Victims of Violence Act does NOT make fetuses legal persons.

NO where in the Act does it give fetuses the rights of the born.....try to give a fetus a SSN...or count it in the census...you can't.



, it deems them victims, not persons with rights....try to give a fetus a SSN...or count it in the census...you can't.

BTW, WOMEN have the right to life.

 

I'm being quite honest here. You post in a format that can be difficult to understand or to quote properly.

 

Supreme Court sided with West Virginia et. al. in WV v. EPA. Just wait until the Marxists fully digest that that kills this "climate change" crap.

 

Then, do you agree that those who have been convicted of murder of a fetus have been wrongfully charged?

 

FoxHastings said: ↑
How can we agree on anything if you haven't read my post?

HILARIOUS! WE go round and round for weeks and pages and all of a sudden you can't address or refute issues because of my format .




Hey, let me know when you can return to the TOPIC of your own thread....