Why Are You Against Same Sex Marriage?

Discussion in 'Gay & Lesbian Rights' started by learis, Oct 13, 2015.

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Why Are You Against SSM

  1. Your Religion Says It's Wrong

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    19.2%
  2. Same Sex Couples Are Incapable of Genuinely Loving Each Other

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    7.7%
  3. Allowing SSM Will Lead to Allowing Beastiality, Polygamy, Incest, etc.

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    7.7%
  4. Other

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    65.4%
  1. The Amazing Sam's Ego

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    That doesnt mean marriage doesnt have a connection to sexuality and doesnt involve peoples bodies belonging to one another which doesnt exist outside of marriage.
     
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    Thats what I mean, its debauchery, its not inborn.
     
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    In this you are wrong. In the legal form of marriage, in the US, there is no requirement for sexuality between the two entering into the institution. Furthermore, their bodies still belong to themselves, with bodily autonomy trumping any "marriages rights". My body does not belong to my wife, nor does hers belong to me, not even within the context of the BDSM lifestyle we live. Granted if we were religiously married under a religion that stated as such, they would, but that still does not change that legally such does not exist.
     
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    Do you think it refers to specifics about sexuality or sexuality itself?
     
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    If you are going to reply to only one point, then delete the rest. It's confusing as to what point of mine you are referring to. As to your video, what is that referencing to in my post? What is the point of it? I have certainly never claimed that bisexuality doesn't exist.
     
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    That doesnt mean marriage doesnt have a connection to sexuality. People wouldnt disagree with Mohammad marrying Aisha if marriage didnt neccesarily have some connection to sexuality.

    any sexual behavior outside of a marriage relationship without consent is harrasment or abuse. Thats what I meant by certain relationships arent godly. Im not equating two different sins but wrong doesnt become right just because one party agrees. Thats what it means that in marriages bodies belong to one another. I didnt mean it in every sense of the term.
     
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    F--k? Unless it's being used as an expletive, it refers to physical acts, not sexuality. Sexuality is what you are sexually attracted to. Sexuality has nothing to do with who you are willing to f**k. For that matter, it isn't limited to PIV. Hence f**king someone in the arse or in the mouth.
     
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    I dont think it exists in the form of equal attraction.
     
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    This is where you are incorrectly conflating the various forms of marriage. While there is an assumption of sexuality when people get married, that is due to the long association that comes from religious and/or social marriages. There is no denying that sex and sexuality occurs in the vast majority of marriages, nor am I trying to. But majority isn't all, and legal marriages doesn't require it. I can marry someone purely for the legal benefits. Whether or not people assume that we are having sex or are sexually attracted is irrelevant to the reality that we are not.

    I agree, and logically any sexual behavior outside of a marriage relationship with consent is NOT harassment or abuse

    I'm doubting that since you are calling a homosexual relationship as both ungodly and outside your religion's definition of a marriage.
     
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    Never said it didn't.
    Marriage doesn't mean anything, except as a legal concept. And many couples like to use it as commitment to their love. Although, 50% of them eventually split or divorce.
     
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    Expand please. Which "it" are you refering to, since we have been discussing multiple things, and what is "equal attraction"?
     
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    Incorrect. Many people get married in the social or religious sense while never obtaining the legal marriage. I was married to my one wife outside the law for many years before we got the legal form (and then only because of the legal benefits) and I am currently married to my other wife and my husband outside of a legal marriage. Such marriage means something to us, regardless of whether it means anything to anyone else. And such is true for many people. They would still find their marriage meaningful even if the government ceased to legally recognize it.
     
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    By sexuality, I meant physical acts itself, or fornication and immorality?
     
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    But is not appropriate or healthy either.
     
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    Correct. My post was worded poorly.
     
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    That's a misuse of the word. The physical act itself is sex, not sexuality. Sexuality is what you are sexually attracted to. Fornication simply refers to marital status, or lack there of, between the two. Adultery denotes a marriage present but not between the two. So if an unmarried woman has sex with a married man, both are committing fornication, but only he is committing adultery. As to whether these two acts are sinful/immoral depends upon one's religious following. For you it may be a sin and immoral, but for one who follows a different religion, it is not.
     
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    You are doing it again. Go back and quote the post and delete whatever it is you are not talking about. Leave only what you are directly addressing.
     
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    I don't have a problem with Adam and Steve, just so it doesn't become Adam and Steve and Trevor and and and and.
     
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    It's not a uncommon thing. While marriage only recently (historically speaking) became a legal institution, there have long been laws about the overall institution. Rights and benefits were given, but it wasn't a tracked legal status. If a couple said they were married, it was assumed they were. But because of those earlier laws, people commonly believe that marriage was a legal institution for way longer that it really has been.
     
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    Why not? Asked the man with two wives and a husband.
     
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    Because our laws such as intestate succession are not set up to handle those type claims and Social Security actuary tables also were not designed to pay out out benefits on 18 spouses.
     
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    If she knows its not fornication but adultery.
     
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    https://blogs.bible.org/should-a-christian-attend-a-homosexual-wedding/
     
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    Okay, so you don't have a problem with polygamy in and of itself, just not as a legal form, correct?
     

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