You admit there may be "inherent biological differences" but you object if someone suggests that blacks may have "inferior mental characteristics", yet the last time I checked, the brain was a biological organ. However, I am not necessarily even suggesting that. I am simply pointing out that if one race is inferior to another in one respect, is it not entirely possible, maybe even probable, that the race that is inferior in one respect may be superior in another? My argument is theoretical in nature, to begin with.
I dunno, I've read in places (e.g. some of the answers here) that sports are an easier avenue for African people to advance socioeconomically compared to "intellectual" ones. And that's no doubt in part due to the stereotypes of inferior intellect and character that so many people here endorse. There are an awful lot of prominent black musicians too; are people going to suggest that black people are innately better musicians too? Or could it be that different racial groups in the US face different opportunities of upward mobility in certain avenues?
Here is a response to the essay in the link you provided... So many politically correct answers. Black people are better at Basketball because they're faster than anyone else. White people who do excel at Basketball are almost always less athletic, long distance shooters like Larry Bird. "Geneticist and exercise physiologist Claude Bouchard at Laval University in Quebec City, has run numerous experiments comparing two populations, French-Canadian and West African students. Using long needles inserted into the thighs of test subjects, Bouchard's team extracted tiny sections of fibers, which look to the naked eye like pieces of raw meat. They were chemically treated to reveal metabolic differences, put on a glass slide, and slipped under a high-power microscope, where they appeared as a collage of tiny red and white crocodile scales. The West Africans, by a ratio of approximately two to one, had more of the larger fast-twitch fibers. The researchers concluded that the force generating capacity of type-II muscle fibers at high velocity, the speed and tempo of movements, and the capacity of an individual to adapt to exercise training are all genetically influenced. "
I understand that your argument is theoretical. I agree that a population could be inferior in some characteristic and superior in another. If it were factual that Blacks were inferior in certain mental characteristics pointing that out wouldn't necessarily be racist. However I do believe that the motivation for trying to prove this is racist. The quote from Graves explains why such claims are motivated by a racist ideological agenda. Yes, the brain is a biological organ but just because there are some differences doesn't mean everything is different. There are differences and commonalities. While it could be the case that Blacks excel in Basketball and Football for cultural and Socioeconomic reasons I see no other reason for Blacks to specifically excel at the 100 meter dash at the Olympic level unless certain populations in Africa have a genetic advantage in sprinting. Blacks do not dominate every Olympic event. They specifically excel at sprinting and are overwhelming over represented in the Olympics at that event (I believe 100% of the top Olympic sprinters have been Black for a number of years). If you look at sports like Basketball and Football most of the positions require speed. The ones that don't as much such as Quarterback and Field Goal Kicker are more heavily represented by White players. At the high school level most American Football and Basketball players are White which is to be expected since Whites are nearly 70% of the American population. But at the professional level Blacks make up over 80% of Basketball and Football players in the NBA and NFL. I don't think that Socioeconomic Status and Blacks simply choosing to work harder at becoming professional athletes can account for this.
Its not just Blacks its specifically New world blacks. Ie descendents of slaves. Its about super high testosterone
People are bigoted in general because it is easier to assume than to know. If you see a black guy or a Muslim or whatever other race or group you've decided you don't like, it's easier to assume you can say things about all of them(except those few exceptions that bigots sometimes allow themselves so they can say they aren't a bigot) than it is to actually know what you're talking about when it comes to specific people. Sometimes there is the added element of trying to be the opposite of PC, like Trump does. It's really just intellectual laziness combined with ignorance and unhappiness. That kind of thing is fine if, say, you're discriminating against all cheeseburgers based on a few that you've had. But this is people and it's unacceptable. I wouldn't mind if bigots, no matter what race they are, were just sterilized to rid this mental defect from the gene pool as best we can, and rigorous education(you can't know something until you actually know it) to mop up the rest.
Actually people are not called "racist" (or "bigot") for saying "All members of race X are Y", because nobody says this, this is just some lame strawman wheeled out whenever group differences are mentioned. People are called "racist" (or "bigot", ironically) for not pretending races are genetic behaviorally the same. Who knows, maybe "anti-racist" "anti-bigot" types really do fail to understand simple some/all logic. I suppose it's better than the other alternative: lying.
That was a good and honest answer, surprised no one commented on it yet, but would like to hear from other people, specially black about this.
There's no evidence that Blacks in the Western Hemisphere have more testosterone than Blacks in Africa. The slave breeding leading to more athletic slaves is a myth. More than likely the superior training regimens that athletes can use in America and other countries with more wealth than African ones enables them to maximize their genetic potential and excel at sprinting as well as sports like Basketball and Football.
How interesting for you to call something a myth when you don't have the evidence to debunk the claim and are unsure yourself as to why slave descended West Africans excel at sports more than non-slave descended West Africans.
You don't address anything related to your assumptions and do not address 'slave genes' beyond disputing testosterone differences, as if only testosterone could make a slave descendant more athletic.
My post specifically addresses testosterone level which is what we were talking about. Slave masters did not have a sophisticated breeding program. They looked at body parts to determine the fitness of a slave and sold them at auctions. They also did not stop nonathletic slaves from breeding. There is no reason to believe that Black people in the Western Hemisphere were bred to be more athletic. FALSE The idea that blacks are physically superior because only the ยfittestย survived the Middle Passage coupled with the effects of selective breeding during slavery has been a popular myth for sometime. Like the salt-retention theory of African American hypertensionยthe idea that survival favored African slaves with constitutions that retained salt during the transatlantic passageยthe notion of natural selection has held some appeal. Yet it remains another ยjust so story,ย or unproven theory, according to Michael Blakey, an anthropologist at the College of William and Mary. The idea that slavery somehow honed a ยfitterย physical specimen is appealing to some. But the reality is that so-called ยbreedingย under slavery only occurred during the last two-generations before emancipation, and was primarily designed to increase the number of slaves, and not a system of black eugenics. That such rapid Darwinian evolutionary change could not have taken place over the course of U.S. slavery aside, the myth of superior black strength has been used to craft a narrative that presumes blacks are superior athletes. In Jon Entineยs controversial book Taboo: Why Black Athletes Dominate Sports and Why Weยre Afraid to Talk About It, UC Berkeley sociologist and sports and race scholar Harry Edwards observed that in accepting the stereotype of black athletic superiority, whites (and presumably other racial groups) suffer from a ยcrippling psychological handicapย in competitive sports. For whites, the idea that blacks are a ยhardierย race has been employed to justify using African slave labor, to deprive injured and ailing blacks of adequate medical treatment, and even involved cases of surgery being conducted without anesthetic, since blacks were deemed more tolerant of pain. The idea that blacks are ยstrongerย and have been bred that way still has currency, even today. Historically, the argument goes, blacks, unlike Indians, were more resilient and stronger, and less susceptible to disease and illness and therefore made better laborers. But by the early 20th century, with the rise in influence of eugenics in the U.S., blacks were deemed to be physically inferior, although that theory has since been discredited. Black physical superiority has also been romanticized in folklore and popular culture. In Darwinยs Athletes: How Sport Has Damaged Black America and Preserved the Myth of Race, author John Hoberman details how heroic figures such as John Henry, and sports legends like boxers Joe Louis and Jack Johnsonยwere deemed invincible because of faster reflexes inherent in the black ยnervous systemย or the ยthicknessย of black skulls. More contemporary examples of superior black physiology can be seen in Michael Jordan and Serena Williams, who represent larger-than-life super-athletes. Source: www.understandingrace.org
In order for the ancestors of Blacks of Middle passage descent to have developed superior athleticism something "special" must have happened to their gene pool. What we know about American slavery gives no indication that Blacks should have unique athletic genes because of the slavery experience.
My point is that there is nothing about slavery that should lead us to assume that the experience somehow afforded Blacks superior athletic ability.
Egalitarian. Cutting and pasting a website proves nothing. here is the problem: The left has dominated Academia for so long that if you did any comprehensive testing then Student Justice warrior (*)(*)(*)(*)(*)(*)(*)s would force you out of your job. Just look what happened when Nobel Prize winning Geneticist James Watson made scientific claims that were in opposition to your ideologically driven insistence..he was forced out of tenure and his career was ended when he used scientific means to show that black people were not as intelligent as white people. You have avowedly Marxist scientists like 'Science for the people' Kamen, Rose etc who put their politics first and actively drive out 'politically incorrect' scientific theories. These scum also destroyed the career of napoleon Chagnon , lying about him because he showed that Yanomami Indians were extremely violent and the left hated this You cutting and pasting of leftist stuff is ultimately meaningless. Its quite obvious to us that just as there is variation in height, weight etc amongst ethnicities then there will be other variations too...just like in any subgroup..just look at Dog Breeds. The point ios that you leftists take it as Gospel that IQ difference between races is not possible so you shout down anyone that says differently. IF the science was on your side you would be more than happy to have scientists doing lots of tests but you know it won't go your way so you make sure that it never happens. We know that black people are more stupid and more violent than white people. It's plain to see,
I disagree. Black people were selectively bred using the same principals as cattle. Also, the death rates mitigated towards a survival of the fittest. What is clearly a lie is that the athletic ability is somehow 'cultural'. It, of course, feeds into the lefty nurture over nature ideology but its obviously crap. jamaica doesn't dominate sprinting because it has a culture of sprinting. If one could produce top athletes by cultural methods then china would dominate athletics. They don't
Have you read this post or this post yet? I addressed all of your arguments. White slave masters in America did not have a sophisticated breeding program and Jamaicans do not dominate sprinting. Again I think there is a genetic component to running ability and people of African descent probably have a genetic advantage there but their genetic potential needs to be maximized by top quality training regimens. So I believe nature and nurture are a factor here.
You're doing exactly what you claim I am doing. Name-calling and dismissing evidence in the name of your racist ideology. If you don't like what a scientist says you just call them a leftist and scum and ignore evidence. Black people being innately more stupid and violent than White people is not a legitimate scientific position it is just racist pseudoscience begging to be considered a valid argument. We are not as genetically different as breeds of dogs and there is no inferior race. Oh and here are some more copy/pastes just for you:
That's nonsense. The White race is obviously far superior to the others. What the hell do the other races ever do other than copy and demand stuff?
