Why Biden Stole the Election Even If He Got More Votes

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  1. ECA

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    Do you know the history of how those who voted by mail this year have voted in the past? Believe it or not there are people who are petrified about COVID. So while you attribute it to "not caring enough to get off their couch", it could be something more than that.
     
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    Doofenshmirtz Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Also an effective strategy. Fear has always been an easy way of manipulating people.
     
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    Yes, my 74 year old mother with comorbidities should have voted in person so you could "feelz" better
     
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    Doofenshmirtz Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I wish your mother the best and have never opposed absentee ballots.
     
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    She didn't use an absentee ballot. She took advantage of the ability to use a mail-in ballot in order to not expose herself to COVID more than she needs to.
     
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    Five states do mail-in only. I'm guessing more will follow.

    Barriers to voting are never good, and where do we draw the line? Should polling places be within walking distance or should people have to drive 10 miles? How about pushups? The more pushups one can do, the less lazy they are.

    The easier it is to vote, the more people participate. If that's the goal, then mail voting is the way to go.

    There is no data showing mail voters are less informed than in person voters.
     
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    Since we are going anecdotal, I raised my kids to know the difference between a condition and an excuse. "Can't do" and "wont do" are not the same thing.

    I realize we are to believe that the same people that concentrated seniors into nursing homes and shut down mom n pop shops so people could crowd Walmart to buy TP, developed a concern for public safety.

    Like I said, it was an effective strategy.
     
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    All of which is impossible to say since you don't know what would have happened if there was no mail-in voting. The people who voted against Trump, all those Democrats, Republicans and indepdendants alike, would have still wanted to vote against Trump, and still could have through the other methods of voting. Trump was nothing if not a motivator to vote in the election for those who either loved or hated him. People were going to vote for or against him one way or another.

    And lets try to keep in mind that the Democrats didn't do anything that wasn't available to every Republican voter out there too. Certainly there were Republicans who chose to vote by mail. If they'd have embraced it instead of taking the route they did with all the fraud hypothesizing, they might have even won the election. It wasn't a pretty sight watching the Trump campaign and the GOP try in state after state to actually prevent people from voting in a pandemic conscious way. People they assumed would be voting against them.

    At the end of the day, Donald Trump lost that election because of the person he is, not because of the Democrats.
     
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    Right, because ALL dems concentrated seniors into nursing homes? And it's BS to claim mom and pop stores that were similar to Walmart in what they sold (ie essentials like TP, cleaning supplies, hardware, etc were shut down. That is categorically wrong. All of the mom and pop hardware stores around me were still open. All of the mom and pop convenience stores were still open.
    I still don't get why you have such an issue with someone mailing in a vote versus going in person. Still achieves the same thing. They cast a vote.
     
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    Excusing Republican election fraud in advance ?
    Cool !
    Thanks for posting EVIDENCE of intent.
    (saved for the hearing)
     
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    EVIDENCE doesn't matter. There was plenty of it for fraud and it amounted to nothing.
     
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    Too bad your side couldn’t produce any in court. Must have really incompetent attorneys .
     
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    ~ You watch too much network "news " .
     
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    You realize “because I said so” isn’t evidence, right?
     
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    I never used such a sweeping generalization. You are arguing with positions you invented. If people want to vote by mail, I don't have any issues. If politicians want to change the rules without voter approval, I don't care which party they are with, they are abusing their power. Abuse of power should be met with loss of power. I don't believe the election was stolen; I just notice the strategy they used was effective.

    As far as Covid, I live in Los Angeles and while both parties screwed the Covid pooch, results here speak for themselves.
     
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    ~ I also live in Los Angeles . What a mess ... :bleh:
     
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    I am curious, even with all the shutdowns, why is the 101 and 405 still packed? I know the politicians aren't following their own advice, maybe no one is listening to them!!!
     
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    Except you did use a sweeping generalization by saying the “same people”. Those “same people” you’re referring to are Dems. If you had said SOME Dems then THAT would be you not generalizing. But ya didn’t.
    If you don’t have issue with people voting by mail then why do you have issue with the change? The changed helped people. So why would you have an issue with that? Do you not like helping people?
     
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    FoxHastings said:
    I saw an interview on TV last night...the mayor of Kenosha Wisconsin who said "I just know the election was stolen"...

    As usual NO PROOF WAS OFFERED...OR SHOWN...NONE...he just "felt" it....and then went on to say that he believe Trump was a prophet sent from god.....

    and that is the sort of scrambled mind that believes without any facts or proof or evidence...



    :) More importantly YOU have no proof of voter fraud...
     
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    A judge even included that in his ruling on an election lawsuit. One that was dismissed.
    :unclesam:
     
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    But that does not diminish their RIGHT to vote. Nor have you demonstrated any basis to assume voting is INTENDED to be more difficult. Voting by mail is legal, & has long been practiced, in ALL STATES. How it is regulated, however, is determined by each state, for itself. If we were to view this through idealistically-tinged glasses, we would say that the determination is strictly a pragmatic one, based solely on things like cost, efficiency, & security. If those administering the election in any given state deemed it was practical, given certain conditions (a contagious pandemic, for those who don't still deny that there is one, which also existed in November), to extend mail-in voting, I fail to see how a rational-minded person could dispassionately surmise that this was unfair, or breaking the rules. (Unless they are a low-information poster).
     
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    Clearly all of the judges (even those appointed by Trump), the supreme court, FBI, DHS, Barr, US attorneys, Republican voting officials, Republican governors, Georgia’s Republican Secretary of State, were all in on the “steal”.
     
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    ~ That is what scares many Americans .
     
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    When elected officials impose laws, they are doing so while flying under their parties colors. I will gladly stand corrected if you can show a substantial number of Democrats speaking out in opposition of strict mandates and shutdowns.

    Your last line says it all. "We're with the government and we're here to help!"

    As far as my position, I did clarify:

    "If politicians want to change the rules without voter approval, I don't care which party they are with, they are abusing their power. Abuse of power should be met with loss of power. "
     
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    Well, for them there's Reynold's Wrap.
     
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