Why can't capitalism stop its excesses, greed, and other damaging characteristics?

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  1. Old Trapper

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    Well, that was really stupid since they are usually "conservative" forms of government.
     
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    Conservative in what way?
     
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    Doesn't matter. Economically, socially, culturally, but then I guess you need to be reminded as to what it means to be a conservative in the true sense of the word, not that of the alt-right:

    https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/conservatism

    a :disposition in politics to preserve what is established
    b :a political philosophy based on tradition and social stability, stressing established institutions, and preferring gradual development to abrupt change; specifically :such a philosophy calling for lower taxes, limited government regulation of business and investing, a strong national defense, and individual financial responsibility for personal needs (such as retirement income or health-care coverage)

    But you see that does not apply to the Republican Party

    http://www.nationalreview.com/article/438255/its-not-my-party
     
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    What a bold claim! What marxism have you demolished?

    Clear nonsense. For example, neoclassical economists took onboard Marxist analysis into labour relations (to try and understand involuntary unemployment). Post-Keynesians borrow heavily from Marxist crisis theory to understand the threat of business cycle problem. Don't make stuff up that you can't support.
     
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    Actually, neither party.
     
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    seems to fit Republican Party well. Why not??
     
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    Marx's.
    No, neoclassical economics took onboard Marxist economics because it wanted to eliminate from economic analysis the same facts Marx wanted to eliminate.
    The post-Keynesians likewise use Marx as a model for how to achieve non-understanding when understanding would be politically inconvenient.
    I don't. Marx did.
     
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    For starters, Republican America has thrown more people in prison for "crimes" that violated no one's rights than any other country. So you are literally using Orwellian doublethink and Newspeak when you claim it is free.
    Same false dichotomy fallacy. You don't want justice, so you pretend the only alternative to injustice is even worse injustice.
     
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    crimes are not our subject. Subject was economic freedom to start a communist company or add communist incentives to existing capitalist company. It has not worked so we know communism is a failure, not to mention the 120 million it slowly starved to death. Your attraction to this genocidal death cult is not to helping workers but to the Nazi idea of commanding the economy.
     
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    not pretending but stating obvious fact that any Republican business can switch to communism to any degree it wants, many have tried to one degree or another , and none have succeeded. Do you know what we learn from this?
     
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    I'm happy for you to try and support this comment. Refer to any post-Keynesian analysis and its error. Try to ensure you provide references (and actual economic comment!)
     
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    Actually Republicans are the conservative party, but can be only as conservative as electorate will allow them to be. Do you understand?
     
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    Doesn't make them conservative, and how can you be so gullible as to ignore the times that the Republicans have gone against the desires of the electorate? The electorate support the ACA, and oppose the Republican idea of healthcare. What got voted in? The electorate oppose Trumps tax plan, and what gets voted in? The electorate support the "Dreamers". The electorate did not vote Trump in as President. Need I go on? There is nothing "conservative" (look up the definition of conservative) about Republicans. The recognized tenets of fascism fit the Republican Party quite well:
    1. Ignoring human rights; 2. Finding scapegoats for their ills; 3. Military supremacy; 4. Control of the media; 5. Protection of the corporate power base while suppressing the labor force; 6. Manipulation and control of elections; just to name a few.

     
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    Much delusion ??
     
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    Can't prove me wrong so you do the usual right wing thing, deflect, and ignore.
     
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    When people are given a choice between getting something for "FREE" or "AT A COST" we can be certain the majority will choose the most rational and reasonable choice.
    I believe that's what the post you responded to was saying.
     
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    "tenets of fascism" - that's delusional. But that's what lib progs do.
     
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    What's rational about this :below:

     
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    The one who posted that would have to answer your question. I'm not a supporter of centralized government by either party over the nation as a whole.
     
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    So Marxists claim.

    And?

    If butchering millions over the ownership of factories isn't a greed, what is?
     
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    Marxists have never conceded a single good thing about capitalism and instead they attempt to attach every negative in the world - including ones they outright fabricate - at the hip to capitalism as a means of undercutting confidence in it.

    If only they spent the time drawing coherent economics for themselves that they do in bashing others.
     
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    I never said it was acceptable. How much is your imagination working overtime?
     
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    Bunk. I, myself, have spoken of capitalism's strengths and remarkable contributions to society. I think it's a case of hearing only what you want to hear.
     
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    LOL, those marching in the streets carrying the flag of Nazism, and chanting the slogans of White Nationalism, certainly do believe in those tenets just as the alt-right neocon does.
     
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    Funny stuff. How many of those marchers are there ?? And more Trump Derangement Syndrome. Who is this alt-right neocon ??
     

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