Why can't the market deliver healthcare at a low cost?

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  1. Jimmy79

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    It's not an insurance company though. Govt takes complete control over all aspects of medicine.
     
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    I’m sorry you always find yourself discussing things you have no idea about. The VA and the NHS are not single payer systems. They are universal healthcare systems. Medicare is single payer. So is the Canadian system.
     
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    Oooh boy, you gave the definition of a word.
    You're on your way now.

    Is the HHS budget in the "total", yes or no?
    Physical infrastructure, yes or no?
    Tech/ digital infrastructure, maintenence, yes or no?

    Waiting
     
  4. Josephwalker

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    Yes a limited pool in that it's people over 65.
    Yes it's going broke because it cost more to run than it brings in to finance it.
    Yes it's cheaper because it cost more to run than it brings in to finance it.
     
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    Just repeating it over and over again will not change the definition of "single payer". Single payer means a publicly owned insurance organization with the single payer (who pays the privately owned hospitals/pharmacies/clinics) being the government via the taxpayers. Nationalized healthcare means the government takes ownership of healthcare entirely. They are two different versions of universal healthcare. If you are going to argue at least understand the terms and the differences between the two.
     
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    Because "the market" is in the business of creating profit not delivering health care.
     
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    Well, at least we got 2 out of 3. :)
    It's cheaper in cost per person, not because it brings in less than it spends.
     
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    No, it just takes over the insurance part. Hospitals are still privately owned, doctors are still independent contractors.
     
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    All health insurance costs are in the total. All $3.5 trillion worth.
     
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    If democrats get control, that will change. Then the system will become more important than the patient.

    The democrats ideas will produce complete disruption and disarray in health care and innovation..
     
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    How is it cheaper cost per person unless you mean cost to the person. Is that your point?
     
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    No, cost per person insured.
    Example: Medicare does not make a profit on each person insured.
     
  13. Josephwalker

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    Have any hard data on that? It's difficult to believe since Medicare patients are old and old people use healthcare far more than young people.
     
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    Change is hard. :eekeyes:
     
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    Sure, but for a person of the same age, it is much cheaper.
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    Actually I didn't give you a very good answer.
    I would phase it in. Starting with say 55 to 65 year old people.
    I would also use the Medicare advantage style to avoid totally destroying the insurance companies.
     
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    An independent contractor that can only contract with one entity isnt really independent.
     
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    They can still contract with others if they want to pay the prices.
     
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    Pay the price? Are you saying a doctor or hospital will have the pay the govt to work outside their control?
     
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    It just means they have to compete with the government. Maybe they offer a better plan than the public option provides, maybe they just try to compete equally. Besides that there is still the non citizen and tourism insurance business.
     
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    No. I'm saying if you, for example, don't want Medicare, don't use it. Buy some other insurance.
    But the problem you will find is that it will be way more expensive.
     
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    The big savings quoted for the Medicare for all single payer system?
     
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    Prove it
     
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    What's included in the figure?
    Reimbursements ?
    Infrastructure?
    Tech and maintenence?
    HHS budget?
    Government benefits and retirements?

    Thanks in advance
     
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    Seems like that charts just telling Medicare gets more expensive the older you are? Am I missing something here?
    There's also the fact that medicare is going broke so the real cost is not honestly reflected.
     

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