Why did Christian women stop covering their head?

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  1. Margot2

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    Purdah predates Islam and comes from ancient Persia so maybe religion adopted existing cultural norms. I honestly don't know. Ancient China may have had a form of Purdah at least for the upper classes.

    Yeah.. here.

    What rights did women have in ancient china? - Answers.com
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    The women from Ancient China are supposed to be loyal to tehir husbands . ... No rights. The women were kept in virtual purdah breeding and running the household, and getting out only for the odd ...
     
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    Generally counts. Why do I always get into arguments over what turns women on and what doesn't... Watch documentaries about it. It's science.
    I mean no, I'm not saying that. :confuse:
    Is that all being modest means to you? Are you not modest?
    Neither do the women. They don't have to. Unless it's the law of the land.
    Must've been hell out there. But then, I doubt they had to go. And it can be endurable and worth it. At least it protects from the sun. You just gotta drink a lot of water.
     
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    Hmmm...I think you misunderstand. I will agree that in societies that are used to covering themselves up with clothing, wearing things that do not cover up can be a distraction. However, what I was getting at was the fact that the dress codes are basically a form of control. How can we say a person who wears no clothes is not a true believer in god? What is it that we're really hiding?
     
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    Then why do I see Muslim women wearing heavy makeup, blinged-out phones, and jeweled flashy nails? They also have their head covered but why bother.
    It's just an outward expression of faith that has gone away over time.
    Amish still do and a large group of Eritrean? Christians nearby me always wear long white head coverings. Probably more to do with culture than religious reasons I'm guessing.
     
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    I agree that it's more culturally based. Some might say that religion is also culturally based, and that's true, but things like dress codes seem to be based more on the culture before the religion came around. As far as the Old Order Amish, they've stuck to the clothing styles popular around the 1850s.
     
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    Because you generalize.
    What turns women on is not an exact science, all women are different whether religions say so or not.

    Same for men, some are turned on by hair and others aren't..




    Yes, when one says WOMEN must cover their hair so MEN don't get aroused one is saying women must cover their entire body because men aren't responsible for their own actions.

    It says women must control and are responsible for what men do.

    That makes men look very weak.




    Uh, that seems to be what Islam thinks is "modest".

    We're talking about religion...and Islam says women, and ONLY women have to cover their heads.



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    Oh? They HAD to wear black robes what makes you think they have control of any other aspect of their lives?
    Maybe they WANTED to be out and see the park.....are you saying they can't go anywhere in these robes?



    LOL! "Endurable " but worth it!!!! So it's OK if it's "endurable"....but not enjoyable ?? Too funny...
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    There is not enough water in the world to wash away religious sexism....
     
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    They have a captive market with the mandatory religious garments.
     
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    According to a biblical story, women who wore sacks over their bodies were prostitutes. It was an easy way to get screwed and to get a goat while doing it. Of course, the guy should have know which woman he banged by identifying the goat he gave her.
     
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    Can you trust a nation where the men all wear dresses?
     
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    they can truly believe in a god. But the God of Abraham?
    • Muslims and Jews got clear instruction
    • Christians can't decide what they have
    So as far as a Muslim is concerned we know because he/she doesn't obey the Koran.
     
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    Or maybe some are more religious than others. The hijab in islam certainly serves also the purpose of being recognised as a Muslim.
     
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    I see. So it's an insult to say that women are not constantly so horny that one look at a man's arm will make them go crazy, because there are some women who are going through a hormonal roller coaster? What about men who are turned on by goats - should we put clothes on the goats too just be safe?
    And yet it is science. Watch the documentaries. It's biological.


    I didn't say women must cover their hair so men don't get aroused. Nor are you being logical here. The purpose of modest dress isn't just to prevent unlawful acts but to help individuals keep their minds pure.
    So you didn't read the Koran.
    I didn't mention control. You assume they had to wear black dresses. I'm saying maybe they chose to go outside instead of staying in an air conditioned apartment where they can take all their clothes off.
    A lot of things in the life of man are like that. Most things aren'teenjoyable.
    There is to keep hydrated in the park.
     
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    Garments are mandatory in most places. You get arrested if you have none.
     
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    No, just blame the goats because what men do seems to be someone else's fault. :)
    It ignores individuality...just like religions.


    So women are also responsible for keeping MEN'S mind pure.....sounds like men are so weak they need women to do ecverything….



    That's a big NO and a never.



    :) As I originally said , ALL religions are sexist.....you have done nothing to disprove that.
     
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    That seems so silly because in the Islamic paradise the guys will have a harem and herd of cute boys and an eternal erection. They will be screwing everything that moves and guzzling from the rivers of wine.
     
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    Can you say that a person (hypothetically speaking) who wears no clothes at all, can't believe in the god of Abraham?
     
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    Yes and no. First 100 years ago, everyone was wearing something outside, either women or men. Furthermore, at the opposite of muslims, they weren't wearing any hat inside. 10 or 20 years ago, old and men women tended to wear a lot hats still where I live, however, I this generation is dead now.
    During middle age in western europe, especially early, women had a strong tradition to wear some veil, but it was more a sign for married women, at least during early middle age. There was even a "right" to wear veil. Nuns asked that right as they were married to jesus christ, that's the origin of the nun veil. I'm already to tired today to find the sources in french, so even more to find the source in english to quote that.
    The tradition to get your head covered existed in the west, yes, but it was not always particulary applied to women, and something true for both men and women.

    For catholic women, it was mandatory to cover their head in a church, for men it was the opposite, wearing a hat was and is still ill seen in a church. However, as far as I know, the obligation to cover their head ceased with the council of Vatican 2. Anyway, white people going to the church is extremly rare where I live. The new face of christianity is black and hispanic.

    Some women however have to cover their hair back even if they don't want to, in districts where the diversity is strong.
     
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    Yawn,, the old testament was written largely for the Hebrew people. I'm not familiar with the portion of the OT you are talking about but i'll assume it was part of Exodus, Leviticus or Deuteronomy. All of which were written specifically two the Hebrew people and for no one else. if you ask, what when why how and who when you read things make a lot more sense and aren't that big of mysteries.
     
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    That's because Christianity doesn't use rules and rituals to "get right with God" or earn favor.
    Rituals are done out of thankfulness and a desire to live a holy life. Being outwardly religious can mean nothing.
     
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    Faith is an internal, personal matter. Religion is politics.
     
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    No, but to say one believes in the God of Abraham he needs to know who that is. So either follows christianity, Judaism or Islam. And if he follows a religion that orders him to wear clothes then he must wear clothes or he is disobeying his God.
     
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    Islam isn't an Abrahamic religion and you've never established that it is.
     
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    An Abrahamic religion is a religion whose followers believe in prophet Abraham and his descendants to hold an important role in human spiritual development. The best known Abrahamic religions are Judaism, Christianity and Islam. Oct 12 2018
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    Wikipedia isn't a credible source since it is an unsecured site and can be edited to say anything by anyone. Islam has absolutely nothing to do with Abraham. It's a lie.
    https://joemiller.us/2016/02/islam-is-not-an-abrahamic-religion/
     
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    1. Abrahamic Religions
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