Why Did JFK create The Navy Seals?

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    I bet you can't find that out anymore. I've tried to find the original oath for about a decade now and it has been removed from public.
    Fact is when I read it about 12 years ago it was easy to bring up now it is gone. I bet the Seals themselves don't know their true original oath anymore.

    Kennedy wanted a group of specially trained men to protect us from a rogue leadership. This was his main intentions. They were to have a plan from one Seal team leader to the next to protect the nation from some of what is happening today. Instead they only take orders to protect or defend other nations now. And sadly they are dying in droves maybe it is the oens who know too much.
     
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    One of JFKs last speeches warning us about the dangers in our nation of secret societies.

     
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    Because JFK was young, inexperienced and surrounded himself with his Harvard buddies who would be known at the time as "The Young and Brightest" but in the endgame they weren't so bright.

    JFK refused to listen to his elders and ignored former President Eisenhower's advice and warnings not to get involved with the corrupt Diem regime of the Republic of Vietnam.
    Eisenhower warned JFK If you are going to put up a stand against communist expansion in Southeast Asia it has to be made in Laos not at the 17th parallel.

    If you ignore my warnings Eisenhower told JFK you will find yourself in a shooting war in South Vietnam. If you find yourself in a shooting war it has to be fought as "total war."

    JFK as usual ignored Eisenhower, his generals and admirals and those elders who been there and done that but instead listen to his Harvard buddies and the Rand Corporation who told JFK that a small number of Special Operations troops can win a war and stop communist expansion in Southeast Asia. :roflol: So the Army's Special Forces (Green Berets) and the Navy SEAL's were established.

    The Rand Corp. got it wrong and many who told JFK that Special Ops could win a war discovered they weren't too bright and went from being war hawks to becoming liberal anti war peace nicks like Daniel Ellsberg and Robert Kennedy. Robert Kennedy being one of the biggest anti commie war hawks during the first eight years of the 1960's.
     
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    So this is what they are teaching now about JFK and the Seals teams? Well it is part deceptive lies and half truths. '
    Ted was the communist his brother warned us about as did McCarthy and Eisenhower. We already had special forces fro wars. Navy Seals first and foremost duty was protection from the same government infiltration McCarthy, Eisenhower and Kennedy was concerned about.
    But convinces anyone today they have been deceived is all but impossible.

    I just debate the things going on for pass time sort of hobby. Don't plan on changing anything of course.
     
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    Ted was simply one of the first of the new wave of ultra-liberal Democrats which in 1968 would start to take over the party.

    Prior to 1968, Ted was just as conservative as his other 2 brothers were. He had no problem stating that he had no problems against expanding the war in Vietnam, and had the support of most of the Conservative Wing of the party (he was even elected to be Senate Majority Whip.

    But after an obscure little incident at a bridge in 1969, his support among the Conservative wing of the party shrank. This led to his being replaced by Robert Byrd as the Majority Whip. So to supplant his falling support by the Conservatives, he actively jumped into bed with the Liberal Wing which was rapidly gaining traction in the party.

    After 1970 his image became that of the New Democrats. And as they went farther and farther to the left, Ted happily followed along because he knew where it was heading.

    I do not think he was ever a Communist, simply an opportunist who saw them as a way to power.
     
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    It was 1965 when he pushed the bill for dry foot and family reunification. He was flooding the nation with democrat voters and trying to undo what Eisenhower had done with Operation Wetback in 1956.
    You cannot be a nation without borders and laws. It is impossible. Nobody is against immigrants but illegal aka criminal trespassers invaders are not immigrants.
     
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    i was then in the Army to be trained Airborne. i dropped out but that is not this story. We had some Navy Seals in training. These guys were tough as nails. You might think Army Airborne Sgt's took it easy on the Seals but that is not true.

    I asked one why he was training for Airborne. His reason was his assignment was to be dropped into the ocean from an Aircraft carrier aircraft to go to the assistance of the astronauts. He was there to ensure the safety of the astronauts. He told me a bit about his Seal training but in WW2, they were called Underwater Demolition experts. They have expanded a lot it seems to me.
     
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    WW11 they were called Frogmen, JFK created the Navy Seals in early 1960s. His main reason was to protect us from what we have had since he was assasinated, a rogue government. But somehow they too were infiltrated and forgot their main mission was protecting the homeland more so than the many wars both Eisenhower and Kennedy warned us about in their last speeches.
     
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    This is not correct, but for past 10 years you can't find the truth so believe what you want to.
    It use to be common knowledge why they were created, from team leader to team leader there was to be a constant plan in effect to guard us against domestic inside governmental leaderships like McCarthy and Eisenhower warned Kennedy about.
     
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    When JFK lived, he was thought of as just one more president. I served in his Army then in Johnson's for a shorter time and was in the Army when Kennedy got killed. To people in the USA, Kennedy got shot in day and died in day. "It was dark in Germany when it came in on the radio he got shot. Later they changed that to he got killed.

    I never thought too much about Kennedy prior to his death. But the man scared many Americans half to death. We were scared he would get us into war with the Soviets.

    Today, Democrats see him as very different sort of human. They lionize him. I think they are misguided and get misty eyed that he got killed at Dallas.

    Vietnam is a favorite to Democrats.

    In general they shun blaming Johnson. But I was already out of the Army by Feb of 1964 and assure you all, Vietnam was not then an issue for Americans. It reminds me of those now in Yemen. Most Americans are not talking about those in Yemen.

    Vietnam then was no major issue. Till Johnson decided to put in a half million troops.

    Democrats enjoy blaming Ike. But Truman started helping South Korea mainly in support of his French pals.

    Truman had his reasons for supporting the non communist regime then running South Vietnam and Kennedy followed right in the same path followed by Ike and Kennedy. They followed the Truman path.

    If you live in Los Angeles, visit the Nixon library and read up on this. i am being accurate. What was our focus in 1964? In general it was North Korea and the Soviet Union.

    I recall when Ho Chi Min still lived. I recall Monks burning themselves to death in protest.

    Yes, some or most of the leaders in South Vietnam were corrupt. But so was Ho Chi Min. I consider Communists to be corrupt. Don't you?

    Ho Chi Min also did not really run the military show. i know who did but have to look him up again.

    Kennedy supported the south Vietnam leaders so he decided to send in a good number of special forces such as Ike had done.

    Kennedy had far more though than Ike had there.

    Johnson could have put an end to North Korea but he was messing his shorts in fearing the Soviets and yes, China. Johnson was no warrior. And he hurt our actual warriors by thinking his non military mind could run a war. Kennedy served in combat but was a sailor. Sailors are not especially good at land wars. I don't see how Kennedy could not support corrupt leaders in the South since how could he find one who was not corrupt?

    The north was not really good at fighting. They made up for it using bush tactics. We knew how to defeat such tactics. But it is called cutting the head off the snake and you win. But Johnson had no intention to cutting it's head off.

    I deny we lost. We settled our way out and moved out. But when that took place, the South was promised not to get attacked. The north later on attacked anyway. Congress refused to back the South and lost their war.

    Ike won his war with Hitler by cutting the snake head off. We need to pursue wars that way.
     
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    That was slang for underwater demolition teams. The Seals i met were to pick up astronauts. I served Kennedy in his Army.

    Kennedy scared the hell out of most of us who served him.

    How did Ike win WW2. went after the head of the snakes and killed them. Johnson never knew how to win wars.
     
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    It is late and I'm tired, but Ike warned us about the military industrial complex in his last speech. I think Ike figured it out after WW11 when he realized certain people were financing both sides of the wars. Good night.
     
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    Democrats especially like to fall back on Ike's parting speech. But the man served as a commanding General and as a politician. But any warnings he made were to the congress.

    Ike knew to win wars, you cut the snakes head off.

    Frankly i was along with other troops losing sleep thinking Kennedy was going to go to war with the Soviets. We did plenty of military planning and making troop movements due to the Soviets.

    night.. night
     
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    10 years ???

    I'm confused, for myself it's been going on for almost 50 years. For others even longer.

    Did you watch any of PBS "The Vietnam War" produced by Ted Burns well remembered as a revisionist from his "The Civil War" series ?

    As usual Ted Burns got more than a few things wrong but I couldn't believe that not once was the word SEATO mentioned. (Southeast Asia Treaty Organization)

    Now anyone who was around between 1960 to 1966 kept hearing "SEATO"..."SEATO"..."SEATO." (Like how we hear "Russia...Russia...Russia" today from the left) It's what gave SEATO the legal right to be in South Vietnam, Laos and Thailand.

    Where Ted Burns did some revisionism was when JFK signed off on the CIA backed military coup in the RVN that backed fire with the assassination of really corrupt President Diem.

    JFK was a liberal and today he would be labeled a neoconservative. Liberals and neocon RINOS like regime changes, nation building and war.

    From that day on, America owned Vietnam, it became America's problem.

    The world watched especially Western Europe. What would JFK do ???

    If SEATO collapses NATO will likely be next.

    A few weeks later JFK would meet the same fate as President Diem in Dallas, Texas.

    The Vietnam War was just one battle that was fought during the Cold War.

    The Vietnam War was just one of the 71 proxy wars fought during the Cold War.
     
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    I think you got lost on your way to the Conspiracy Theory threads. But big hint, this is not them.
     
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    Actually, he was a conservative Democrat. One reason why he got along and worked so well with the liberal Republican, Richard Nixon.

    He was also a rabid anti-communist. And Senator McCarthy was also a close family friend. Long a friend of Ambassador Kennedy, he also dated 2 of Jack's sisters and godfather to Robert's oldest child.

    Which ties us right into the following again:

    Nope.

    Are you even aware of their close friendship? That JFK never attacked Senator Joe, even after everybody else was crucifying him? Even after the Senator's death, Kennedy stood by him.

    So what you are saying is absolutely in contradiction of history. Please do not try and make things up like this, because others who know real history will shoot you down every time.
     
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    You misunderstood what I said. I said McCarthy and Eisenhower both warned Kennedy about the military industrial complex run by a secret society. Read it again.
     
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    As I said, the Conspiracy Theory threads are that way:

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    This is not CT, here we discuss real world military issues. Not space lizards from Tau Ceti II running an Illuminati founded in secret by General Butler.
     
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    Fake history from fake scholars. Enjoy and ignore the truth,makes no difference to me.
     
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    But for the so called military industrial complex, Ike and Mac would have lost WW2. Let's not insult the civilians who kept our military well supplied.
     
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    IMO Ted was a communist at least and socialist at best. He was never a conservative as he proved in 1965 when he open up our sovereign borders to the third world in his dry foot, anchor and chain act.
    Americans no longer have a vote in S.Florida, California and many other states. Now that uncontrolled immigration rules we have a socialist nation with people voting for what they can get instead of what is good for America.
    Don't really care because I'm old and all empires fall this one will just be the shortest lived one. I feel sorry for the young who will lose the most.
     
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    No lets just kill off a whole race and culture that has taken the world from barbarism to civilization.
    This war everybody was fooled into thinking was so beneficial depleted the european race and culture from being the most in numbers to being the least by almost 1/3. .
    Hundreds of millions of europeans killed each other off in this war and WW1 and other wars fought that was not in our interest.
    I agree Hitler had to be stopped, but that could have been done by going straight to the head of the snake to begin with.
    As it were we lost tens of millions of lives we didn't have to lose all over Europe. I do believe that Russia is counted as Asian in this poll.

    1935 world population by race.

    European White, 665 million
    Latino-Native, 71million
    Middle Eastern-Indian, 470 million
    East Asian, 721 million
    African-Black, 131 Million

    !970 World Population By Race,

    European White 933 Million
    Latino-Native 204 Million
    Middle Eastern-Indian,921
    East Asian 1144
    African-Black 320 Million.

    2012 World Population By Race

    Euro White 981 Million
    Latino-Native 576 Mlion
    Middle Eastern-Indian 2200 Million
    East Asian 2169
    African Black 917
     
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    Ive often speculated (because Ive seen little evidence for it, but still suspect) that JFK was trying to build his own response to the CIA which he saw as a rogue group opposed to the libertarian (little l) values of America.

    "I want to shatter the CIA into a thousand peices and scatter it to the winds." -JFK
     
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    There was no Navy Seal in WW11. There was what was called 'frogmen' and as you say domalition.
    JF Kennedy created the Seals Team whos main purpose was to protect us against a government gone rogue, fact even if it is not popular. From team leader to team leader all had to have a plan in case our leaders turned into tyrants.
    Like most other military and LEo's today they forgot their oath to The Constitution and our nation is no longer here much less free.
    While we fight and die to ' free ' others nations our borders and rights are trampled over by those who will not assimalate or obey our laws. Then we bring in multi-millions of foreigners to take our jobs, change our culture and support their large families while we stop having kids.
    All other nations protect their nations borders,laws and culture except the Divided States Of America.
     
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    Proven drug runners and cartel protectors too. Why do you think so many in comgress are stinking rich in just a couple years in office?
    Drugs have been used fro millinials to bring down nations and make leaders rich and powerful.
    Anyone here really think we couldn't stop all the drugs coming into this nation? Naive?
     

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