Why did the priests at Nicaea leave out the book of Enoch?

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    It wasn't popular enough, the Apocalypse of Peter was a very much more popular text but it was so horrific it wasn't a nice book showing the joys of heaven and the many horrible punishments in hell. This though still influences theology today.

    http://www.earlychristianwritings.com/text/apocalypsepeter-mrjames.html

    Face it most of the Bible is politics trying to make people happy between the Orthodox Church leaders and traditions under the Emperor to have one faith for one empires under the one god ordained emperor.
     
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    There's good reasons it was left out. There are some pretty wacky theology and philosophical things that are not consistent with the rest of the books.

    Calling it "the book of Enoch" is pretty misleading too.
     
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    Because is was not written by an Apostle or a direct follower of an Apostle. It was written before Christ.
     
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    There actually isn't much evidence that Biblical canon was even discussed at the First Council of Nicaea. The meeting was primarily about the nature of Jesus. Arius's teachings about the Father creating the Son, rather than the two being co-eternal, the Son being subordinate to the Father, and about the Son not being capital-G-God were getting popular. The Council didn't actually settle the matter (they voted Arius's views down, but there was still a back-and-forth for years to come), but it doesn't look like they voted on any books of the Bible. I never understood why Enoch didn't make it into the canon, though, especially since I think other books of the Bible quote it.
     
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    The Book of Enoch was considered to be scripture by the early Messianic Jewish / Messianic Gentile movement.....
    but by the time of Pope Gerome when the Christian canon was finalized........
    scholars preferred the Book of Revelation for a number of reasons. One of which was that it was shorter.

    I remember reading a prophecy in the Book of Enoch that this book would be hidden for centuries.....
    but then made available again in the latter days.

    Here is a quotation that may add insight to Leviticus 16:10....

    "but the goat on which the lot fell for Aza'zel shall be presented alive before the LORD
    to make atonement over it, that it may be sent away into the wilderness
    to Aza'zel." (Leviticus 16:10)

    Whoever Azazel was...... he deserves credit for being ashamed for his sins from the past.....

     
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    Pretty much anything that did not increase influence for the church was removed. Also anything that promoted women or painted them as powerful. Basically the council was enacted to create the Jesus-God and fix as much of the confusion as possible to solidify power over people for Government/Church.
     
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    Because Enoch talks about aliens and UFOs. :)

    Funny, I remember studying the book of Enoch in Catholic School [a Jesuit School]. We didn't know the source was Enoch and only later did I realize this was the case! I always assumed it came from the Bible.

    One of the most vivid memories is studying the ranks of angels. I remember trying to find that in the bible and couldn't. Many years later when reading the apocryphal texts, I saw what I had studied.
     
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    "Why did the priests at Nicaea leave out the book of Enoch?"
    Well, we at least KNOW why they left out the Infancy Gospel Of Thomas, because the Infancy Gospel of Thomas says that Jesus KILLED MULTIPLE INNOCENT PEOPLE when Jesus was younger.
    Not a good thing to have a "loving prophet" who is a KILLER OF MULTIPLE INNOCENT PEOPLE.....that would make Christianity about as evil as a religion headed by Charles Mason, for example. Best to leave THAT book out!
     
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    Like I stated the Apocalypse of Peter was attributed to Simeon Peter and was far more politically and theologically popular but didn't make the cut. I think its likely for two reasons its not pretty to listen to or read. And the second elements in it would make a Church steeped in growing wealth and power once the Council finished was likely to be and well parts might have had some issues with that. In the end though I think it might have been a mistake it was the on book that could add abject terror to those in the faith and a hammer for conversion.
     
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    Sheesh! The whole OT was written before Christ came in the flesh. But Christ was before the foundations of the earth....so nothing is before Christ. Try again.
     
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    Try what?

    I am reporting to you the reasoning behind the selection of NT texts as described by the Church Fathers. If you have a problem, take it up with them.
     
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    Again...the old testament was written before the coming of Christ. Enoch was the great grandfather of Noah, and was so close to God that he was taken up to heaven without dying. Enoch's prophecies are just as relevant as the other profits in the old testament, if not more so.
     

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