Why didn't Trump ask the January 6th rioters to stand down earlier?

dupe

 

Because he wanted to see if the coup was successful.

 

So you're going to completely ignore everything I wrote and move on to something else? That's not how a conversation works.

 

You could argue that the "request" in question refers to a pre-existing request made by the White House, but the reply the next day seems to suggest not:
The request for the guard has to be made by the USCP before the guard can set foot on the Capitol Grounds. It is illegal if done any other way.. The Pentagon is inquiring if "request for the guard" may be a consideration in the future.

Regardless, there is no mention of Trump or the White House. So explain to me how this validates Trump's claim of offering troops; I don't see it at all.
The Pentagon handles the deployment of the guard... Trump offered the guard and made the necessary arraignment through General Milley ... here is the interview of two people in that meeting former Secretary of Defense Chris Miller and Kash Patel when is Trump authorized up 20,000 guard if requested.....

https://rumble.com/v17lpid-former-secretary-of-defense-chris-miller-and-kash-patel-on-hannity.html

 

Please explain what you wrote that I am ignoring?

 

In that case, as I wrote, the official timeline doesn't provide any support for the suggestion Trump offered the national guard. You have to pivot to the testimony of Milley and Patel, which is definitely evidence of a sort. Supporting documents would make the case stronger.

 

Well you just answered it above. Your previous post made no reference to my critique at all.

 

And here is the other person in the room when they were authorized.. Not only is Mark Meadows saying Jan 4 but throughout the summer riots that burnt down our cities...

 

I give Milley some credibility; I give Meadows very little.

 

And there is suppose to be documentation Pelosi "did not sign" witch was authorizing the guard.. but that doesn't matter if she did or did not sign something...

But here is Mayor Bowers signed paper "to be clear" "not requesting" them..

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EuHk-vZWgAIeIZX?format=jpg&name=900x900

 

I'm not sure why you keep directing these points at me. I'm not saying Trump didn't offer the troops and it doesn't make much difference either way to the question that I started the thread with.

 

Why didn't Trump ask the January 6th rioters to stand down earlier?
To the best of my knowledge Trump never told the rioters to do or not do anything, ever, though he did readily castigate them, just not directly.

 

Oh I'm sorry... you seem to indicate not seeing Trump signature on the authorization was something not proven.

Your OP kind of was a vague thinking "seems" that Trump was some how condoning violence? Is that your thoughts on this.. Please explain where you think he took hours to respond , maybe that is where some "met with indignation"

 

I was deliberately vague because I didn't want to pretend I knew his exact state of mind, within a broad area of him supported the rioters in some way. I'm not saying he was necessarily condoning the violence. It could be that once they were in the capitol he thought it provided him some kind of opportunity which he didn't want to lose by telling them to leave. Personally, I think he was probably happy they broke in - I think it fits with what we know of him - but it would be pointless to state that as fact without clear evidence. The testimony of those who were with Trump on January 6th might fill in the gaps.

Barriers first breached at 1:30, he finally asked them to leave at 4:13

 

There were 500,000 people there. You're talking about a few in the tiny faction that was at the point of violence. Our lefties do this all the time; like walking on the beach and finding something unattractive and claiming that represent the entire environment. There's never been a perfect president or leader anywhere, and it is literally impossible to please everyone. The people there to incite riots would probably have been one chanting and quoting Trump... because that would make it appear they were speaking for Trump, so he would then be be seen as accountable... precisely the position you are trying to establish now. Those people aren't fools; they are very devious and purposeful, and the purpose is to control what you think. Apparently, that has been successful.

Fact is that the comments one would make under those circumstances would be used to defame him no matter what he said... by the people intent on doing just that.

 

The first the people entered the building was 2:13 p.m. The Capitol Police were throwing flashbangs, tear gas, and beating the protesters with their fist at 1:30 p.m.

No... his first tweet was at 2:38... ""“Please support our Capitol Police and Law Enforcement. They are truly on the side of our Country. Stay peaceful!”""

https://thefederalist.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/12/Trump-Jan-6-tweets-768x493.png



Here is the very moment the police incited the peaceful protesters into a frenzy... flashbangs, tear gas, pepper spray, and the all time favorite pummeling a protester with their fists ( a little later in the video)... at 1:30 p.m.
https://twitter.com/julie_kelly2/st...d-jan-6-crowd-by-firing-flash-bangs-tear-gas/

https://twitter.com/JackPosobiec/status/1421942908954062853

https://twitter.com/ElijahSchaffer/...d-jan-6-crowd-by-firing-flash-bangs-tear-gas/

 

OK, you don't have an answer, and further you're delving into conspiracy theories without giving any evidence. I'm not interested in unsupported false flag claims, no matter who makes them.

Well, I can guarantee you that he would have got less opprobrium if he had immediately asked the rioters to stand down as soon as they breached the barriers.

 

This whole discussion is framed around when he asked people to leave, not when he first tweeted. Read the OP again if you need to.

In that video you can't see clearly what's happening at the front of the crowd but you can see a barrier being wrestled with (clearest at the end). So there's no way you can assert the crowd was peaceful.

 

Well, I'll leave this discussion here.... as I would ask you to please take into account what you are hearing from the committee and what I have presented here... whether you believe my posts are valid or not.

 

Sure, I hope I've showed I have an open mind. But there needs to be evidence to make a case.

 

That is true... I presented mine... Can I ask that you present yours?

 

The evidence is Trump's lack of asking people to leave. That seemed extraordinary while the riots were going on. Commentators were appalled he wasn't doing it. I was appalled.

 

You missed all the ones that weren't. a few people taking a few pictures doesn't really prove much, does it

 

He said several times "go home".

 

I don't blame you for trying to move the goalpost...hahaha

You made a blanket statement claiming people weren't walking around with their phones. I proved you wrong. Deal with it