Why do Christians and Jews become non-believers in their God?

Answer what? The only question I see is the one in the title, and I have given an answer to that: When people doubt religious morality (or even question the details, not even necessarily the veracity), they investigate what we're actually justified in believing, and then they may find that the religion didn't have a leg to stand on to begin with. As you can see, this answer requires nothing about God's plan or even existence.

Of course, you have your explanation, and I have my explanation. Actually trying to get to the truth of the matter cannot consist of just finding an explanation, it consists of verifying the explanations.

This is either outright false or, perhaps more likely, poorly worded. I believe that I have an onion in my fridge. That belief does not have a foundation in knowing God's plan. So, clearly not all belief does this. I bet you mean something other than what you wrote.

The type of "knowledge" that is based on knowing God's plan is heavily dependent on who's deriving it and the conclusions are often mutually exclusive, so it seems to me they are very often wrong.

As with any of your explanations, I'm not seeing anything here to guard you from simply being wrong.

 

You still haven' explained anything. Are you obeying everything God has commanded? So, you aren't a martyr. Repentance will lift the sins from us all through Christ's atonement. It also doesn't say the 10 suggestions as well. But, Moses, the prophet and messenger of God, explained to the people what each commandment meant. So, clearly God instructed Moses to stone the Sabbath breakers as they were wandering in the wilderness. Is capital punishment approved of God? To answer that, we have to have a Prophet. We can't just assume yes or no. Do you know of a Prophet today? God isn't dead and he still speaks to us through prophets today. Who is the Prophet? You don't have one then you can't say yes or no. I have one I follow. I'm good with capital punishment. It's really the only way a person can pay restitution for repentance to work.

 

I'm not trying to explain anything. I don't follow god's laws. There's no way to convince me that eating pork on a Friday will send me to hell. I used to argue this with the nuns all the time.

I look at the rules and think - does this make sense? If the answer is no, I don't obey. 'Tis why I've been smoking pot, under my doctor's suggestion, for 20 years.

 

Who says the Catholic Church has any authority by God? You base your behavior on one Church out of 380,000 in the U.S. alone. And, if you don't follow God, then you shouldn't have a problem with capital punishment either.
Now you bring up the food thing. In the OT times, it was unhealthy to eat pork and other foods. So, the Israelites were given words of wisdom about eating and health in general. Don't drink strong drink and stuff like that. Some of the wisdom of that time is still good for us today. Alcohol is still not good for the belly. For a long time, pork was unhealthy to eat. Why do Catholics eat fish on Fridays? Because they covenanted to do so. Just like the ancient Israelites. Mormons today covenant not to eat or drink certain things. Partly because they are considered unhealthy by the Lord. But, also, it's a test of covenant making as well. Want to go to their Temples? Keep their covenants. It's not just about the health aspect. Uggg!!!

 

Never mind. Carry on and have a great evening. I'm out.

 

Nice post. Your wife is a peach! You should ask her questions about eternity so some other man doesn't end up with her through eternity.

 

An abundance of claims with zero evidence. Will one of you believers ever provide actual evidence for your claims? Did it ever occur to you that there is no God and therefore there is no plan?

People become non-believers when they understand there is no evidence to support a belief in the supernatural.

 

And people become believers when they receive evidence from God through the Holy Ghost. That's all the evidence I've ever needed. I've seen miracles that are unexplained. Priesthood blessings given to people whose kidneys were failing and after the blessing, they were healed. Just like in the Movie Star Trek where McCoy gives the woman a pill and she grew a new kidney. But, no pill. Just the power and authority of God and the faith of the people in God. I don't need empirical evidence like you think is needed. "If any of you lack wisdom (JET3534) let him ask of God who gives liberally with faith and abraideth not...without a double mind and it shall be given him."

 

Explain the existence of physical reality. How did it come into existence in the first place? You can't, can you?

 

Doesn't the Bible say there is no marriage in heaven?

https://www.openbible.info/topics/married_in_heaven

 

There are no marriage performed in heaven. They must be performed her on earth by one with authority for the marriage to be eternal in heaven. "Whatever is bound on earth is bound in heaven." However, if it's not bound properly, or divorce happens, then "whatever is loosed on earth is loosed in heaven." What would you rather your marriage be? bound in heaven or loosed in heaven? Matthew 16:19

 

Don't you know? There was nothing and then there was a big bang of nothing

 

The "science" of absolute nothing becoming a universe size of matter, with the properties such as gravity, heat, light etc also popping into existence - and then rather than collapsing into one black hole as physics would declare, blew up - and this made the universe and all that is.

Wow, what a magic trick! Not a belief in God or Gods, but in MAGIC!

In my wife's opinion, all that exists really is all just the mind, the thoughts, of God. Analogous to a person can invision, imagine non-existent realities in their mind, awake or in a dream state, all that exists is the thoughts of God. Who and what is God? Her view is that she has less intellect capacity to grasp the concept of God than a bacteria inside her body has the intellectual ability to grasp the concept of the human it is within. Her "relationship" with God is singularly about her and God, no one else. What anyone else does or doesn't do in relation to God is completely irrelevant to her.

Try to prove the existence of what was in a person's dream? Tell someone you had a dream or a fantasy thought you have - and like some athiests anyone could claim you had no dream and no fantasy thoughts because you can't prove to them that you did. Dreams and fantasy thoughts do not exist because no one can prove that they do.

 

I think that atheists would say they have scientific proof we dream though the rem cycles while we are sleeping. And, everyone has dreams and relates them to each other. So, it's not quite the same but I get your drift. It's true that we should have a personal relationship with God. But, God doesn't have just a single relationship with just one person. He's having personal relationships with million at a time. That's why there are laws, doctrine, ordinances and prophets to organize people so they don't all have their own laws, doctrine, ordinances and prophets and anarchy breaks out. That's what actually has happened. There's like 40,000 different sects of Christianity in the world. It happened when there was no prophet and no apostles.

 

"So, he intervenes occasionally personally and few times to nations in order to make sure His Plan B is moving forward."

A false

Sometime the best answer is simply "I don't know." One can't make a case for God based on an argument from ignorance or an argument from incredulity. Either of which is a fallacy.

 

You seem to think other people have a duty to prove anything to you. They don't.

Did X rays exist before it could be proven? The earth flat until proven it isn't?

"God" is every bit as rational, if not more, than all of the universe physically popped into existence out of nothingness for the Big Bang. Or is that itself a belief in God?

 

Let me ask a question and I hope will you provide an honest answer. Did the people with the failing kidneys receive medical treatment from a doctor of any kind -- or were they on the verge of death, receiving no medical treatment of any kind -- and then cured by a miracle? I am thinking without medical treatment how would a diagnosis of renal failure even be made? I once had a lab test that indicated a negative kidney function, did nothing, and when tested months later everything was normal. Did I somehow benefit from a miracle?

 

People who make a claim have the burden of proof. Someone who does not believe a claim does not have a burden of proof to prove the claim wrong.

Also, the OP asked a question. The answer (why do believers become non believers) is a total lack of proof for religious claims.

 

No they don't. And most don't and can't. How much of what you post on the forum can you actually prove? Quoting someone else isn't proof of anything.

 

Our society is based on the people making claims providing proof. For example, our legal system (innocent until proven guilty) and science (repeatable experiments with consistent results).

In this thread what claims have I made?

 

I'm actually rather surprised that the OP had it right, that is, that when believers leave a particular faith, it is because they stop believing in God altogether. I didn't leave Catholicism to be an Atheist. I just felt I had outgrown that faith, and my search was ready to explore elsewhere. I started close to home, i.e., Protestant denominations. But ultimately, I feel, I EVOLVED toward a truer understanding, and an experience of more Divine immediacy, outside of Institutional religion.

 

Why just this thread? But in this thread you made this claim:

Prove that statement is true.

 

Here is some data supporting my claim.
https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2016/08/24/why-americas-nones-left-religion-behind/