Why do gun control advocates constantly prattle about "high capacity magazines"

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    I’m not attacking you. I’m trying to do what you just advocated for—keeping guns out of the hands of dangerous criminals. Unless you can offer solid evidence you are not part of the criminal element, you are disqualified by your own criteria.

    When you throw around the term “stupid”, remember I’m just implementing your idea. LOL

    You poor attacked victim! Ahhhhh.
     
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    Of course it is.
     
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    You think 231 million Americans should be in jail, that's one hundred times the number who actually are in jail.

    And yet you blame the fox for killing the chickens but not the human for killing other humans?

    There is a certain disconnect from reality going on with your position statements.
     
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    If they’re criminals then they should go to jail. Are you being soft on crime?
     
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    wrong again-if they are found guilty beyond a reasonable doubt by a court of proper jurisdiction, then they should be sentenced consistent and in conformity with the applicable statute(s)
     
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    So then why does it matter if ex-felons have guns? Why does it matter if they go through the courts first?
     
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    Anyone who serves prison time should lose certain rights of citizenship as part of their punishment. Such as owning a gun or voting. If after they leave prison, their period of court ordered punishment completed, those rights should not be automatically restored. There should be the requirement to convince a court that the criminal has reformed and may once again be trusted with the full rights of citizenship.

    Pay attention, this means I favor ex-convicts being allowed to own guns or vote or have any and all of the other rights we enjoy. Just not as an instantaneous and automatic award for completing punishment.

    The difference between Punishment and Reform is a critical one. Sadly, there is a growing trend in the many States to ignore Reform, that is, the measure of it, and restore rights upon completing punishment.

    This trend is wrong headed and will backfire badly.
     
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    VT used 10 round magazines. Didn't help.
     
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    And why is that statistically significant?
     
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    Reducing mag size doesn't result in less death.
     
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    Because you cite one statistically insignificant case?
     
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    VT isn't insignificant. It shows there is no correlation between mag size and number of dead. Empirically so.
     
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    How so? Can you spell this out more?
     
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    who is more likely to have 30 round magazines if there is a ban. a guy who already is committing a felony by having the gun and then committing another felony by breaking into your home or store, or the homeowner or shop keeper that the felony seeks to victimize
     
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    I don't know, probably the imagined idea of a felon inside your head who is so nefarious they twirl their curled mustache and laugh manically into the night.
     
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    Me. -I- am more likely to have 30 round magazines.
     
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    You are afraid to answer the question because it destroys the idiotic claim that a magazine ban will somehow give unarmed innocents some time to charge a gun man who is not deterred by other more serious penalties.

    criminals who invade homes or rob businesses tend to have premeditated the crime while homeowners generally have little time to react
     
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    Most criminals who invade homes don't actually want a fight. They just want the stuff and then leave. Killing complicates things. It only gets lethal when the homeowner does the opposite of what the police advise, ie they confront the robber. I'm not afraid to answer the question. It's just a pointless question because it relies on this idea that all criminals are evil and going to kill you and kidnap your first born, etc. Criminals are more than the boogie men who hide under beds, and the sooner we realize that the better.
     
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    you can make excuses for criminals all you want and I can ignore them because I spent 30 years as a prosecuting attorney in some way or another and there are people out there who get off killing and harming others. If someone breaks into your home at a time most homes are occupied, we and the law assumed that they were ready willing and able to confront and kill the homeowners. if someone breaks into my home at night, I assume they are evil and will respond accordingly. and IF EVERY homeowner whose home was invaded shot and killed the invaders, the crime rate in this country would be significantly lower.
     
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    A ban would have no impact on criminals. The idea that criminals would be impressed by a new legal impediment is just ludicrous.

    On the other hand, a ban would instantly manufacture millions of paper criminals. Honest people who were never a threat to anyone, not breaking any law would suddenly be faced with that impossible choice. Surrender or be declared outlaws.

    Most would quietly hide their stuff. A certain percentage would take a more activist approach.
     
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    I'm sure you have. I'm also the president of Mars.

    The law can assume that you should kill people who break into your home, just as much as it fails to explain why people break into homes in the first place. Pretty easy to demonize someone when they're breaking the law. Better still though is to understand why they did what they did and prevent it from happening ever again. But that's just trading talking points without actually addressing either's point.
     
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    100% of home invasions happen when the victims are home. What you are describing is a burglar.
     
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    I and most rational people don't really care WHY some armed idiot broke into a home but sitting around chatting about it with them isn't productive. You're already demonized when you break into someone's' house, and there's just one way to make sure it doesn't happen again.
     
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    An important point. A ban will only serve to limit the honest person's ability to defend themselves. The criminal will ignore the ban and make use of whatever they desire.
     
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