Why do Muslims hate Zionists, but follow their religion?

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  1. GodTom

    GodTom Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    It just seems hypocritical to me.
     
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    Do you care to make an explanatory statement for your conclusion?
     
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    What are you talking about?
     
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    GodTom Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    They are an Abrahamic religion.
     
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    They are an Abrahamic religion.
     
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    The three are all different.
     
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    GodTom Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    They pray and worship the same God.
     
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    The Jews invented the God, from scattered Summerian writings.
    It is theirs, they have the patient on it.

    The Christians stole the God, added more Gods to it, changed the rules, and turned on the Jews.

    The Muslims stole the God from the Christians, eliminated the Christian Gods, instilled their Prophet, changed the rules again, and turned on the Christians, and the Jews. Now God wants the Jews and Christians dead.

    Now God is either a whishy/washy schizophrenic, who just cannot make up his mind.
    Or they are different Gods.
     
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    It's supposedly the same word spread to other peoples.

    Hence why they're all people of the book, and that they're called Abrahamic religions.
     
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    It's obvious you know nothing of at least 2 of those religions.
    They are called "people of the book" by the muslims
    It's not the same word.

    In fact Jesus and Muhammed are 180 degrees apart.
     
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    Jesus is in fact mentioned 25 times in the Quran.

    He is prophesied to return in the end days, AND the Jews are suppose to return to Israel.

    This is what I don't get. If the Jews say it's time to go to israel. Why is it false then? Christians and Muslims have no theological basis to fight their claim.
     
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    The Jesus in Islam, is different than the Jesus of Mathew, Mark, Luke, and John.
    BTW, He is also a Muslim 900 years before Muslims existed.
     
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    Leading question.

    Please re-phrase and post evidence that your claim has a valid premise.
     
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    You can not backup any of these claims.
     
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    Islam is an Abrahamic faith.

    If the jewish faith says that they have a divine right to return.

    How can muslims theologically oppose their claim?
     
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    ~ Islam is an Abrahamic faith. ~


    That is correct. However, Judaism is not - read the Bible to see that it is an ethnic identity, not a religion.




    ~ return ~

    Zionism has no biblical basis. This is a matter discussed innumerable times on this forum. I have posted verses from the Bible and writings from Orthodox Jews which confirm that. Click on search for your answer.
     
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    That's just dumb.

    Read the Christian Jesus, then read the muslim Jesus.
    They are two different people.
    BTW, the muslims have nothing to draw their info from other than the Christian bible.
    Like all prophets in Christianity, and then Islam, Moses, Abraham etc. They are the same in name only.( BTW, the name is also different, but we will allow that for different languages.)

    All of these are changed into muslims.

    Do I need to quote these passages for you.
     
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    Islam is plagiarized from Judism, Christianity, Zoroastrian, and Greek Medical.

    They used the same characters, and made up their own story, with nothing to reference but the originals.
     
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    That makes no sense. And again something that can't be cited.




    How about the Quran. Have you checked there? It talks about Israel...
     
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    "To Moses We [Allah] gave nine clear signs. Ask the Israelites how he [Moses] first appeared amongst them. Pharoah said to him: 'Moses, I can see that you are bewitched.' 'You know full well,' he [Moses] replied, 'that none but the Lord of the heavens and the earth has revealed these visible signs. Pharoah, you are doomed.'"

    "Pharoah sought to scare them [the Israelites] out of the land [of Israel]: but We [Allah] drowned him [Pharoah] together with all who were with him. Then We [Allah] said to the Israelites: 'Dwell in this land [the Land of Israel]. When the promise of the hereafter [End of Days] comes to be fulfilled, We [Allah] shall assemble you [the Israelites] all together [in the Land of Israel]."

    "We [Allah] have revealed the Qur'an with the truth, and with the truth it has come down. We have sent you [Muhammed] forth only to proclaim good news and to give warning."

    [Qur'an, "Night Journey," chapter 17:100-104]


    The problem is that this is in the Meccan Qur'an, and Allah changes his mind, and wants the Jews killed.

    I hate it when people quote the Meccan Qur'an, as though it means something.
     
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    No where is
    No where in the verse does that say kill the jews.

    And it actually backs up my side.
     
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    Read my comment again, slowly this time.

    They don't kill Jews in the Meccan Qur'an.

    They de-humanize, and kill them, in the Medina Qur'an.
     
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    There are over 100 verses in the Qur'an dedicated to killing non-believers, but the Qur;an is not the only source, in fact, it is 14 percent of Islam's documentation.

    Sahih Bukhari (52:177) - Allah's Apostle said, "The Hour will not be established until you fight with the Jews, and the stone behind which a Jew will be hiding will say. "O Muslim! There is a Jew hiding behind me, so kill him."
     
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    The phrase peole of the book comes from the medina quran.
     
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    The people of the book is all throughout the Qur'an,
    It is used in reference to Jews and Christians mainly, but also identifies with a few other religions.
     
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