Why Do People Think The Bush Administration Lied About WMDs in Iraq?

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  1. Iriemon

    Iriemon Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Comparing Japan, a country the directly attacked US territory in a surprise attack, to Iraq, which did not?

    Has to be the stupid analogy of the day.
     
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    Essays from PNAC in no way indicate that the Bush Admin. lied about WMDs (or terrorists connected to Iraq).

    The fact that the PNAC saw U.S. occupation of Iraq as an important step in securing U.S. dominance of the region in no way invalidates the way.

    If you see a known killer running with what appears to be a gun and you shoot him dead, it doesn't matter that you didn't like him anyway and wanted to buy his house cheap after he is dead.

    Once again, exaggerations are not lies.
     
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    I never saw that. I'd be surprised if he said he'd lie about it. If he had I guess he would have been replaced.
     
  4. Dayton3

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    You know Japan did not (and still does not) see it that way. The believed that the U.S. was crushing them through the oil and steel embargo and was going to reduce them to penury if they didn't do something to correct the situation.
     
  5. Dayton3

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    Who would've replaced him? And how does that happen?
     
  6. Lee Atwater

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    Nice try. I'm saying there was sufficient dissent among the intel agencies to make the long standing narrative in defense of Dubya, that he was the unwitting victim of poor intel, complete baloney. The Shrub admin selectively distorted and in some cases ignored the available intel to justify their desire to invade Iraq.
     
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    That's a bit silly. The people who appointed him would have found a replacement, I suppose.
     
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    Clueless.

    Every intelligence organization in the world (American, Canadian, British, French, Israeli, Russian, Australian, Chinese, etc.) said there were WMD's.

    If there were none, fault the intelligence organizations. Bush, like any president, must rely on what he is told. You can't expect him to go undercover and look for WMD's by himself.

    I know. This is all too complex for the liberal brain.
     
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    Watch out for the left wing lemmings quoting the fake news media.

    It is now a known fact that Syria was given the Iraqi arsenal of WMDs via chemical composition tests on the arsenal of chemical WMDs Syria gave up in October, 2013
     
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    When those “exaggerations” are things like the Niger Yellowcake report, yeah they are.
     
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    Plus every government head and their intelligence service that we ally with made the same solid assurance, including Jordon who captured Sadam's son-in-law and Hans Blix of UN inspection fame.
     
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    Good for them. So what. Japan attacked our territory. Iraq did not.
     
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    Iriemon Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    LOL. Exhibit A.
     
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    Never heard of it. I'll google and get back to you.
     
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    Try Project for a New American Century instead.
     
  16. Dayton3

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    They tried to shoot down U.S. and British planes enforcing the No Fly Zones. Those are considered acts of war the same as attacking our territory.
     
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    If the surgeon was lying so as to get money for an unnecessary operation? Damn straight you would call him a lier.

    So the question that was never answered was: did the Bush administration lie so that could go into Iraq, or was it a "mistake"?
    Lot of Americans died. The whole Middle-East was destabilized from the out-flow of Iraqi refugees and 100,000 Iraqi Christians were killed who had been protected by Saddam's government. We had 3 years of Bengazhi investigations because 4 Americans were killed, we had less than half that on the WMD question.

    We know that a ton of money was made by Cheney's old company and many Republican donors did very well from military contracts. That's an equally persuasive conclusion of your surgeon analogy.
     
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    Sorry, your attempt to analogize the surprise Japanese attack on Hawaii with the US attack and invasion of Iraq is a fail.

    Japan attacked our territory directly. The Bush administration's invasion of Iraq was based on fabrications, propaganda, deception, and lies.
     
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    Isn’t violating the air space of another country itself an act of war?
     
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    That may be your mantra, but never has been mine. I was never able to determine to what extent the bloody, exorbitant, regionally-destabilizing fiasco was due to deceit or incompetence.

    "... the main reason we went into Iraq at the time was we thought he had weapons of mass destruction. It turns out he didn’t ..." G W Bush
     
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    Factually incorrect.
     
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    How can they be when many of them were written before Bush even ran for president?

    -- President Bill Clinton (State of the Union Address), Jan. 27, 1998
    --President Bill Clinton, Feb. 4, 1998
    --President Bill Clinton, Feb. 17, 1998

    --Madeline Albright, Feb 18, 1998
    --Sandy Berger, Clinton National Security Adviser, Feb, 18, 1998
    Letter to President Clinton, signed by:
    -- Democratic Senators Carl Levin, Tom Daschle, John Kerry, and others, Oct. 9, 1998
    -Rep. Nancy Pelosi (D, CA), Dec. 16, 1998
    -- Madeline Albright, Clinton Secretary of State, Nov. 10, 1999
     
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    1) Stop living in the past.

    2) What you are saying didn't exactly happen. The intelligence community was not united behind the slam dunk language at all.

    3) The failure of the intelligence community was to downplay the dissenting voices

    4) The GOP White House also downplayed those voices because...

    5) They wanted to invade Iraq for any reason they could find.

    So perhaps you are right, maybe lied isn't the precise language. Perhaps, sold a bill of goods? Or snake oil? Or something like that is more accurate.
     
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    Imagine defending the bush admin in 2018. There is very little difference between him and Obama they are both on the same team and it isn't our team.
     
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    Because Bush is a Republican, and liberals/Democrats/the mainstream media want Republicans to lose elections.
     
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    Give your propensity for doing so, I find it amusingly ironic you do not understand the definition of "lie".
    A lie is a false statement, knowingly made.
    Can you show Bush fully knew Iraq did not have WMDs?
    No?
    Your claim fails - as usual.
     
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