Why do those on the right look down on so many voters?

Disclaimer: This thread is NOT about the electoral college.

I've often heard one argument in favor of the electoral college in the United States about not wanting to be governed by the elitist masses on the coasts and in urban areas. One argument I heard about the US system being the best is something called the tyranny of the majority and rule of the mob. One angle that argument fails to address is that the majority can quickly change. Democracies can learn from their mistakes, while dictators just cover up their mistakes.

Whenever Democrats win elections, it's usually with a higher turnout compared to Republicans winning elections. And whenever Republicans lose, those on the right chalk it up to voter fraud and non-Americans voting as well as the lazy masses "wanting more free stuff".

You (Republicans in the United States) remind me of the Yellow shirts in Thailand who consist of upper and middle class voters who overthrew the popular government of Prime Minister Thaksin Shinawatra and subsequent governments of his allies because they looked down on the uneducated poor rural voters of northern Thailand (who happen to be the majority), their counter protesters called the Red shirts.

Here is my question: why do those on the conservative side of politics have such low faith in fellow human beings and low faith in your own ability to convince others? Do you think you are somehow more special or more evolved that you are entitled to govern?

I once started a thread in this forum that explained how a center-right politician can win my vote showing that while I may not agree with all his/her policies, under the right circumstances I can change my vote. A couple of people on the right just dismissed me and said "You can keep your vote. We don't need it".

One piece of advice for all American voters: Before you ask your members of Congress to be bipartisan and work 'across the isle', you should try to convince your fellow voters to see things your way including your crazy uncle at Thanksgiving.

Oh, and finally before you say it: Yes Clinton's 'deplorables' comment was wrong and made HER look elitist and she deserved to lose votes for it. But that was just one isolated case and I see it come more often from the right. Also, remember Romney's 47% comment?

 

Colossally lame.

 

I don't care whether we use the electoral college or popular vote. Only that we accept whichever is used without griping about losing.

 

There is no group in this country that is more elitists and hateful towards/looks down upon the opposition then the progress left. You and your fellow alt leftists don’t just simply disagree with our opinions as most republicans do with yours. You legitimately believe us to be evil sub human animals that are evil and your wish is that you could do us harm in order to silence us and eventually get rid of us altogether. That is a fact. If you are seriously trying to garner sympathy from the right because we are “mean to you” then holy hell man do you live under a rock? That’s like walking up to a random person in the street and punching them then having the nerve to ask them why they are mad.

The issue was not that Hillary Clinton thinks half the use is deplorable. The issue is that the overwhelming majority of you alt leftists agree with her.

 

The left doesn’t even believe in the concept of a nation state so why should we respect their vote? The left is building a coalition of voters whose only real connection to the country began within the last 50 years, so they have no roots to the country. They are born as anchor babies and then vote in the best interest of Mexico, not America.

 

Yeah, it was really crappy when Trump called half the country deplorables, and then after losing, his media outlets pumped out "ignorant hillbilly voter" lie narratives for months (still do). Down with GOP snobbery and elitism!

 

This part is absolutely hilarious
"And whenever Republicans lose, those on the right chalk it up to voter fraud"
And whenever democrats lose?

 

You won't hear that from me personally.

 

To be honest I don't think about faith for democrats or liberals. I do pity many of them for not having plain old common sense. Their governing policies have failed all over the world, you should know that. In a one-on-one conversation I can convince any intelligent open-minded liberal to become a conservative but I would never try to convince a group or someone who lacks common sense. I would also never try to convince a liberal politician to become conservative because they stay in power by promising a better life for the voters. It's called pandering.

 

Well every election is about turnout, not just for democrats.

Basically nobody would win if they didn't get the higher turnout.

You can say that Hillary got a higher turnout in the popular vote but we don't have a national election. You need to get the popular vote in more states than the other person, not just the highest populated state. Remember that we don't have one election for president, we have 50 of them and whoever wins the most wins the overall election.

And I don't know why you think conservatives have low faith in the voters, that's just silly.

 

Yes. I do believe that the mob are easily swayed by popular opinion. I don't want to be RULED by people's asinine votes; people who believe that the choice is between Democrats and dictators.

 

I've awarded you a like because you answered my question directly and on the personal level. The only thing I'll say to the remark I put in bold is that I would urge you to give examples other than Venezuela (because I have my own theories on the failures there).

To all other posts: many of you are only confirming what I believe you are.

 

We only had to read the OP to know what you are, just another foreigner characterizing U.S. politics with inapt analogies and generalizations. Haven't seen that on this forum... about a thousand times.

 

If you are really "green" and "left", then you've got such a fundamental disagreement with conservatives on "first things" that debate with you is impossible. It's like a Catholic and an atheist arguing about the significance of Christ rising from the dead.

Some conservatives, I include myself, really are elitist and consider themselves better educated and more intelligent than the average person, and I think I can prove it, but I've known plenty of liberals who, I concede, are smarter than I am.

The gulf between us is vast and cannot be closed. I detest liberals like the politico reporter, Marc Caputo, who observed of a group of Trump supporters, “If you put everyone's mouths together in this video, you'd get a full set of teeth." It's of a piece with hillary's "basket of deplorables" remark." But there are surely instances of conservatives making equal condescending remarks about Obama supporters.

What is the difference, then? It comes down to First Things. One side champions tradition, limited government, variety (true diversity), private property rights, moral absolutes, and tradition. The other side appears to champion equality, a basic guaranteed income, heavy regulation of business, confiscatory taxation, and governmental intervention to achieve these aims, by force.

You have your values, and we have ours.

 

Do I think my vote is more valid? No. Do I take exception that nearly half the country is on the public dole, and half the country pay zero federal income tax dictating the politicians that get elected. Yeah kinda.

When their agenda is to take more from me, to buy votes by those people with no skin in the game and just a hand out... yeah, I'm concerned.

"When the people realize they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic".

 

I don't respect them for many reasons but I'll list the main one.

The left would never win elections if only people with a 100+ IQ could vote.

That would eliminate the vast majority of blacks, Hispanics and probably even Muslims. Republican presidential candidates would win 40+ state landslides every election cycle.

 

Do we have numbers on how many low IQ individuals actually vote?

 

We know that the average IQ for black people is like 65-70 and it's about 85 for Mexicans. Many, many Muslim countries hover around 80 as well.

 

Hmm, no, don't think so; the studies I have seen put Af. American average IQ at 85-90. An IQ of 65 means "mildly mentally retarded," a level at which the death penalty is prohibited, and if the average were that low for "black people," countries like Kenya would not even be able to function.

Anyway I didn't ask you that: I ask again, what percentage of the retarded or borderline retarded actually vote?

 

Assuming youre right, 85 means only a minority of them would be over 100 and qualify to vote.

You basically proved my point. The same would happen to most Hispanics and muslims too. Then the Democrats would only have Jews, asians and urban whites.

 

We have low faith in human beings for the same reason that your neighbors in Cambodia should have had no faith in the khmere rouge. They should have erected a giant cross in Phnom Penh and sacrificed Pol Pot to the gods, and then told his underlings that they have ten seconds to run before the guys with machine guns open fire.

Why do you have faith in fellow human beings? Good ol' uncle Ho was such a wonderful guy, perhaps? You live in a third world country filled with scamming lying pieces of human garbage known as buddhist priests who would take the last baht off of a homeless crippled child dying of starvation so they could "pray" that he might be able to find a sandwich in the next garbage can he sees.

I was there after the military took over. I'm guessing you burned your copy of 1984 along with the rest of your fellow sheep.

 

When the "others" are lovers of lies, as leftists almost invariably are, the question answers itself.

I'd say conservatives are less devolved.

 

Gotta love progressives... You get hit with a premise, and the first thing you do is to ask a stupid question.

What purpose is this question? Are you even interested in the answer? Perhaps you could explain how the answer to this premise that is burning your brain stem to find out would somehow help you answer something that has been hounding you ever since you found out that IQ is just like skin color, and that we really aren't all black or white, but some of us are...

I'm guessing that I'm flying like the eagles over an anthill right about now, and your only capability is asking another question for the same reason that squid produce ink.

 

First of all, you are not making much sense.

Second, you assume I'm in Thailand because I referenced Thailand. I only mentioned Thailand because I am well versed in the politics of many countries. For the record: I'm in Indonesia. And I have a copy of 1984 on my bookshelf.