"Why do you need 10 bullets"

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  1. dagosa

    dagosa Well-Known Member

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    Yes. They should be limited by permit. The majority of people carrying guns are ill trained accidents waiting to happen. Many, even some of those with permits, fall into “ got to have the latest” fad over kill” mentality. The basics, including availability and lots of training, are more important.
     
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    Funny, even those claimed as sarcasm are closer to how they feel nearly all the time.
     
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    And many more who carried and were unsuccessful in defending themselves, failed because of poor training and the inability to react quickly and accurately enough. Having a surplus of rounds is secondary, and way down the list and is better served by having an aux weapon.
     
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    On what do you base your opinion?

    I've been shooting for over 60 years and have seen my share of idiots with guns but they are far from the majority.
     
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    That would mean that accidental shootings by CCW holders are common. Can you back up your claim?
     
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    I live in a constitutional carry state. According to dealers who offer gun training programs, people are buying guns when they have no idea what they are doing. Training programs which used to be mandatory, have dropped dramatically in participation now that they are voluntary.. Still, even permit holders fall for hi cap wonder guns which are concealment problematic.

    One friend’s wife is typical. She wanted to buy a gun for protection and wanted to know what kind. My advice was emphatic. Sign up for extensive training, get your permit, then make a decision after you’ve become proficient. She can rent guns at the local range.....thinking that just because you have an operative trigger finger allows you to be a safe firearm owner, is pretty lame.
     
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    A reduction in course attendance does not amount to evidence of an increase in the negligent discharge of firearms. Simply because it is believed that one is leading to another, does not amount to actual proof of such.
     
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    Accidental shootings are uncommon, period.
     
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    I know you attempted to say something....but it was really vague.
     
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    Ha ha
    Oh, you do stop and frisk randomly in the streets ?
     
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    400 deaths, but 8,000 to 10,000 reported incidents is not uncommon.
    There are thousands more unreported which “ logic” would surely dictate.
     
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    Because the discharge of a firearm in an urban area is something easily ignored and overlooked by the general population, correct? Law enforcement is not known for responding to reports of the discharge of a firearm, correct?
     
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    You have your strategy and tactics; I have mine. But, I don’t engage in telling people what they should or should not do. I am a firearms instructor and gunsmith. When asked for advice, I believe in the approach of sharing my knowledge and experience, and why I choose to have what I have and my thinking on my preparedness, but encourage people to make their own informed decisions. But, I also listen to the experience of others, often learning from others.
    I also am involved with an informal of other instructors and a few in the LE that conduct force on force scenarios using simunition. Many of the scenarios we run are based on testing various assumptions and tactics, for instance, testing scenarios such as responding to home break-ins, response to surprise armed robberies (1 -1, 1 - with another who is unarmed, multiple - 1, etc.).
    I and a couple of others in that group also periodically do our own testing of ammo, particularly those touted as the new girl with the curly hair self defense type, as well as hunting ammo (penetration, terminal performance, barrel length, twist(usually with rifles) factors, etc.) sometimes the tests are based on verifying the test results of other, sometimes asking new questions.
    BTW, I don’t have a siege mentality, but one based on probabilities and practicalities and experience. I also do not walk through life oblivious to what is around me. If you met me out and about, you’d never know if I was armed and if you entered my abode you’d not see weapons laying about. The guns I owned are fit for the purpose and roles for which I acquired them... many that can fill a range of roles.
    As for the subtle left hand characterization of ‘being a mass shooter’... nice attempt at a spin.
    Of those posting here, there are a few with obvious experience, some who have credibility, established over time, and some that are obviously arm chairing it.
    I was raised in Northern Ireland in an area of Belfast in the epicenter of where the ‘Troubles’ were ignited in August ‘69 (look it up, lots online and many you tube vids on it); learned a lot in those years and lost my home in the three days of that were match that lit the fire (pun... not that I expect you’d understand).
     
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    You have an opinion and thats fine. Forcing your opinion on others with laws when there is no real problem to solve is not justice.
     
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    The only force I have is my vote and free speech. Free speech to counter the lies perpetrated by the nra to sell more guns to absolutely.....anyone.
     
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    My opinions will back the laws I will support. Count on it.
     
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    Your comment about CCW holders was false. Yes, it is your right to make false statements. The NRA does not sell guns either.
     
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    That’s your right & mine to vote as I will. So?
     
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    Then enlist in the armed forced or join the national guard then pack your a civilian if you want to change the government - VOTE.
     
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    Um... wut?
     
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    No, I'll leave totalitarian antics like that to "Little Mike" Bloomberg.

    What's with the snarky sarcasm anyway?

    I simply asked: "On what do you base your opinion?" and stated that my experience with gun owners who carry has been that they are generally responsible.

    I also have experience with misanthropic individuals who think that "everyone else" is an idiot but that's another topic for discussion.
     
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    "Why do you need 10 bullets"

    Some night, I might face three intruders/assailants, and it might take more than three rounds each to put them down.
     
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    Yet, in real life, despite the increase over the last few decades of people carrying concealed, the firearms accident rate has declined and is fairly low historically. Yes, you are right theoretically, but not in real life. It's just not happening. The type of people who go to the trouble of getting concealed carry permits are safe, cautious people. For that reason, there are really not many accidents involving them.
     
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    And I’m gaining experience rapidly here with people who think logic is a substitute for education.
     
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    Sorry. Much goes unreported, there are three instances of accidental firearm discharge just from my own awareness. Two resulted in minor injury and one did not. None was reported.

    Modern firearms are definitely safer which has a lot to do with it. I have never had a problem with permitted firearm carry that required training. AAMOF, I would like to see more of it. I feel I’m more careful as a permit holder who doesn’t want to do anything to lose that right which is not absolute. People with permits that I know in areas where required, are extra careful, better trained and a major contributor to gun safety in general. I just don’t feel self defense is the same as anyone pretending the are quasi military and law enforcement.
     
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