Why does a persons education level matter how they voted?

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  1. RedDirtWalker

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    Since before the Presidential election and after, people have been making a big deal about what the educational level of people are. If you are lower educated and white, then you likely voted for Trump because your stupid or lower educated and black, then you likely voted for Hillary because you're stupid.

    Harsh words, but that is how people are being portrayed.

    Does the education level really matter? Most college degrees do not require a class on politics, economics, or foreign affairs. This means that those areas must be learned independently of school.

    Many Billionaires don't have college degrees, 3 out of 10, don't. http://fortune.com/2016/08/08/billionaires-no-degree/ For millionaires is higher of course. So clearly it is not a prerequisite for making money.

    There are many college graduates that are working in the service industry, so a college education clearly doesn't get one money.

    So why all of the focus on a persons education, when clearly the intelligence of a person can not be correlated to the educational level attained by a person? The ability of a person to understand something of a general matter is not tied to education as a rule.
     
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    Originally, only citizens who owned land could vote, yes, that included black men and all women. When the localities started putting in rules of who could own land, that's when it got oppressive. Now with everyone allowed to vote, people are bussed all over by dems to vote in same day registration districts to take advantage of loopholes and muddy the vote tallies. Hence why no national voter ID laws exist yet.
     
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    Its just a classification to see the break down.

    When taken in conjunction with other issues such as race, age, sex, we can develop a pattern which helps us predict, a little bet better, future elections.

    So say that after ten elections we see that highly educated people vote democrat more often then not so we can see how many people since the last election have reached a high level of learning and assume they will vote democrat.

    Its not a guarantee but when you do this with multiple areas you get a pretty good idea of how its going to go.

    Its a lot of statistics basically.

    The more information you have the clearer your picture becomes.

    This is extremely important in regression analysis, what 538 uses, its basically a model for prediction unlike regular polling which just uses static numbers.

    In order to make an accurate prediction you need as much information as you can get.

    Its quite a fascinating model, I will try to find it and post it, and its returns are either at close to 100% or extremely off the mark. That's why its not used by most people.
     
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    Trends and targeted advertising.
     
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    Stuck up people being stuck up.

    Everyone is equal, but no one feels equal. We all feel superior.

    For academics rights of passage = university.
    In much the same way as for a soldier rites of passage = joining the marines.

    It is an important part of their psyche and they attribute a level of social superiority to it.
    An example of their greater intellect and example of their adulthood.
     
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    Liberals want to believe that only stupid people vote for Republicans.
     
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    it's pretty difficult to hang the 'intelligent' label on a group of people who double-down on their political and economic philosophy despite being able to witness it collapse in real time.
     
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    Its called elitism. To some folks, the more educa(indoctrina)ted you are, the more important you are.
     
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    I don't know where the left keeps coming up with their numbers.

    Whites are a minority in the Democratic party today and when you bring the rest of the Democrats into the equation, most blacks and Latinos don't have a college degree and half never finished high school

    What the left never mentions what kind of college degree Democrat and Republicans have earned.

    Having a college degree doesn't mean your smart or knowledgable.

    Today's kids graduating from high school graduate knowing nothing.

    Most of my male friends, many I've known going back to high school during the 60's have earned a college degree, most with a bachelor of science degree that you can actually use to in the private sector. The vast majority have been voting Republican since 1980.

    Almost all are very successful today.

    I know more than a few liberals and they also have earned a degree in college, usually a BA in the liberal arts. The majority aren't working in the private sectors except the lawyers but are working in government or for the schools and colleges.

    No more than a few who only have a high school diploma but almost all have learned a useful trade and are doing pretty good in the private sector.
    Some are Republicans living in the OC or Simi Valley or the Santa Clarita/Canyon Country area. Others are Democrats. But most went with Trump in 2016 including the Democrats.
     
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    Not really sure how that pertains to my topic.
     
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    I understand that aspect of why it's important, I was meaning in the realm of discussing topics and the belief that ones ability to grasp/be knowledgeable in a subject is somehow tied to having a college degree.
     
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    I'm a high school drop out, and I come from a long line of "uneducated" men. We hold tight to our dollars, and are capable and more than willing to provide for our own needs. We're rugged individuals if you will.

    The world the wealthy want to build, where everyone is entirely, completely dependent upon either government or the corporation, depends upon eliminating people like me from the equation. To do that quickly involves great risk, while to do so secretly involves almost none.

    My wife can't even operate a dish washer, despite being an electrical engineer, which is exactly where the powers that be want everyone to be.
     
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    It's human nature to blame others for their own failures.

    Liberals lost, and believing their political principles to be intellectually superior, the only excuse is that too many stupid, uneducated people voted for the other candidate.

    It's an immature perspective, but it plays to that "it can't be my fault" code all humans are built with.
     
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    I have a master's degree and I voted for Trump.

    But it didn't take two college degrees to know Hillary was a flawed person with a flawed ideology. I would have known that if I was in the eighth grade.
     
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    Which is a joke. Most "tea partiers" are doctors, lawyers, and small business owners. And very few of them are uneducated fools.
     
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    Could be because currently, colleges are programming students with what to think instead of how to think for themselves. and promoting that as wise benefits the politicians who don't want you asking questions that thinking people would ask. A degree IS NOT success, it is as best a knowledge base. I used to have a PhD working for me, as a warehouseman. Lived with his parents at age 40; couldn't cut in the professional world he was educated for, and had about zero motivation. Mentally, he was kind of like an encyclopedia. Knew a lot of information, but didn't really know how to apply any of it.

    Lots of people who have been incredible success don't have any college at all- like the founder of The Bank of America.

    A key problem here is that many college grads think that the degree is who they are- and that is in fact shallow self-deception. Kind of like thinking you are a success because you are driving a new mercedes, disregarding the fact you are up to your ass in debt because of it. It's Symbolism- I've got the hat, so I must be a fireman.....
     
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    It's not a joke, but a construct.

    There's an entire sector of our media industry that exists solely to tell liberals that they are intelligent and superior to conservatives.
     
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    True; one of the ways to keep people supporting what you want them to is telling them how smart they are for doing it. Door-to door sales people of years back were literally trained to do that, so people would buy encyclopedias and vacuum cleaners, whether they needed them or not. Actually, a sign of gullibility more than anything else.
     
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    Everyone loves to stereotype the victims of conmen as gullible old people, while in reality they're almost always well educated, wealthy professionals.

    My own father in law, an extremely highly accomplished economist, politician, and physician, was only spared from a tax scam because he lives in the middle of nowhere and couldn't get to a Walgreens.
     
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    The Tea Party began in the 1990's.

    But the Tea Party movement began in 2009.

    I was more than curious who these Tea Partiers were so I went to two Tea Party rallies to find out. One in the OC and the other in Pasadena, Ca.

    Here's what I observed and learned.

    They were new to politics, they weren't political activist.

    Most were upper middle class or even rich.

    They all worked, paid a whole crap load of taxes and raised families.

    This is why most Tea Party rallies took place on the weekends. They all worked.
    (Ever noticed that most liberal rallies or Antifa riots happen during the work week when most Americans are working and paying taxes.)

    All seemed to be successful.

    Most were professionals and many were business owners.
     
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    A Tea Party rally in Pasadena?

    Organized by TEAPAC?

    There's a very strong possibility that we've met.
     
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    I'm more interested in IQ.

    If we were to hypothetically require only people with a hundred IQ or higher to be allowed to vote the Democrats would never win elections because that would disqualify the vast majority of blacks, Hispanics and Muslims.

    The left likes to pretend that theyre some kind of intellectually Superior group of people but the reality is without these very low IQ groups they would never win elections.
     
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    It's something I've been noticing in politics is that identity is everything to the Democrat Party.

    Think about this how many people ridicule Trump for being Trump. Love him or hate him he is who he is and the people that voted for him didn't vote for him because they loved him or thought about him at all they voted for a platform.

    The people that are against Donald Trump or you know Republican policies or any of that they don't argue the policies they are you against the people that vote Republican.

    This education would matter religion matters all these things that don't really matter start mattering.

    People may have voted for Barack Obama because he was the first black man to successfully run a campaign and win they may have voted for Hillary because she was the first female Democrat to win the nomination.

    Will see this in the reverse they attacked Herman Cain for either being the wrong color or in the wrong party it did the same thing with Sarah Palin.

    They tried it with Mitt Romney over the Mormon thing but I don't think people give a s*** about him being Mormon he just wasn't a good candidate.

    Look at Cortez in New York she's a Hispanic woman and that's all anyone gives a s*** about they don't care that she doesn't know where ass from hole in the ground. That despite her education and economics she has no idea about economics.

    She's Hispanic and that's not white and if I'm right and I vote for someone who's Hispanic then I'm not racist that's what that means and if I mail in my vote for someone who's female that means I'm not a misogynist.
     
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    As a college graduate, and still enrolled, I can tell you without a doubt that college, in most people, teaches you critical thinking.

    Before college I thought I knew it all but boy was I wrong. I didn't realize how stupid I actually was until I started studying subjects in all areas.

    It put me in check basically, and I learned that before I express an opinion that I should research my facts first.

    College gave me a deeper understanding of humanity, how processes work, history and the future....it allowed me to look at things from a different perspective.
     
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    Jonathan Raban is a well-known author who mainly writes travel books which include a lot more than just descriptions of where he is. An excellent writer.

    He's a liberal who lives in Seattle, although he was born in Britain.

    In 2010 he got credentials to attend the national gathering of the Tea Party, and wrote about his experiences there in the left-liberal New York Review of Books. It's an excellent description of the delegates, and you can read it here.
     
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