Why does a persons education level matter how they voted?

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  1. APACHERAT

    APACHERAT Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Just over 600,000 people live in Vermont. :roflol:

    The little socialist city of San Francisco has more people pooping on their sidewalks than Vermont.

    And just like San Francisco, if you drop your car keys in Vermont you have to kick them all the way to New Hampshire or New York before it's safe to bend over and pick them up.
     
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    I agree with most of that. And I'm a high 99th percentile IQ, frequently mistaken for a person with a doctorate- but self educated, successful with 50 years of business ownership and 7 companies founded in my career. Many self-educated people will not project in the same way as those with a college base- the question of that being an indication of a shortcoming works two ways. As an old friend of mine (with a degree) says- "They let their book-learning get in the way of their education". She's from the country, owns and runs a farm alone, at age 86- and much sharper than most 40 year old people with a degree. College is temporary, or should be. People live in the real world. When they leave college, they should adapt to that.

    The problem with higher education has several negatives.

    One, too many people with a degree think that it is the degree that makes them valuable- not what they can do with their knowledge. Knowledge and understanding are not the same thing; you can know a great deal and understand nothing- and while such people think they are experts, they simply can't accomplish very much. A PhD used to clean my warehouse for example.

    Two, many of our colleges have failed to honor their own purpose. They are willing to sell diplomas rather than require them to be genuinely earned. A degree like that gets people a job, but fails to equip them with competence for the job.

    Three, many colleges have become politically oriented, and are teaching ideology, telling students what to think instead of teaching them how to think. These people are not only less valuable than those who think having a degree is the same as competence, because what they come to support is dangerous and destructive rather than productive.

    I'm all for education- but when you attend an institution, what you learn is limited by the capacity and objectives of those who teach. You learn their limits as well as their strength. Thus- education at any level is sort of like a learners permit. You go to ground school to learn how an airplane works.... but you don't really understand until you have flown on your own and managed the real problems that are the real test of skill.
     
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    Fie Baita Cappa!
     
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    One of the reasons which education level is important to voting intention is the hijacking of our universities by the left.
    A lot of our school systems are totally ****ed by it.

    It's a real problem in society today.
    There is starting to be a backlash with all the crappy social sciences getting dropped from university syllabuses.
    But even so our comprehensive system is riddled with it too.

    What is required is a transferable grant.
    So that you get to choose which school your taxes are spent on.
    Otherwise poor people can't get a decent education.
     
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    I'll go with "Conservatives are meaningfully employed, the Antifa wannabe Brownshirts aren't", Alex.
    I challenge you to provide an example of this; my bet is you cannot.
    This is Bernie admitting to the world he soundly cannot argue against what the person in question said.
    How did you not pick up on that?
     
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    I've always done high-tech product design. Most companies use technical writers, who I have mixed feelings on, to write instruction manuals. My biggest complaint being that they tend to not be technical enough to write coherently on some subjects.

    On this one project, for the technical writer they had hired a guy with a PhD in educational materials. At some point in the process I was supposed to take his files and put them in the system to eventually get them printed. As I read his words I found them inadequate, confusing even. So I re-wrote them.

    A couple of months later, at the product launch party, as the company president was giving kudos to those who were involved, he went at length complimenting the technical writer. I've always wondered what he must have thought. At some point he had to come to the realization that what everyone was complimenting him on was not his work.
     
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    I find that funny, because it's so common.
    A tech writer commonly produces documents that assume that the reader has technical knowledge too- common terms and jargon so to speak. He fails to understand he's trying to communicate to people that don't know what he knows. There was a time I was into teaching some technical skills, and the trainer I was under to get certification took me aside and told me that I had an outstanding knowledge of the subject, but didn't know anything about teaching.... Ouch. Then he pointed out that if you use any word that your students are not likely to be familiar with, you stop and explain it. And, that if you don't, your may just lose your students ability to follow you at that point, because you are now talking in sort of a foreign language.

    Then there is the tech guy who is reading from a computer screen; entering your problem, feeding you back the scripted answer, but not really understanding it. That's when you realize that despite your difficulties, you probably know more about it than your tech support person does.

    No matter what, it pays to know all you can about the things you have to work with and rely on.
     
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    I would have been the youngest person there.
     
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