Why don't race realist ever come up with solutions?

So to be clear..
Gould Never Measured the Skulls, yet Deceptively titled his Book 'Mismeasurement' AS IF he had.
Weisberg also has no issue, nor measured the skulls!

One side doesn't want the data.
They dare not even measure!
They just want some rationalization for criticism/apologetics.

They can't live with the Empirical truth we've known and keep reMeasuring every decade... and it stays relatively, just about the same.
And anyone who does gather raw/Actual data on Race and IQ WILL be called a 'Racist' for even looking by the mainstream/PC.
No one will even fund such an un-PC study, and if they do, they too are 'racists.'
It's a taboo subject. The biggest one in our society.. mostly because we know it's true.


PS and Again:
To give his Spam Fest posts the ILLUSION of credibility, Ejay post PICTURES of those he quotes to add Volume to his Crazy Spam fests.
We don't need pictures of Nisbet, Macheachern, etc!
WTF is that? Nobody does that.
It adds Nothing to the debate, just volume. "Mismeasurement of posts."
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<Rule 2> The book is called The Mismeasure of Man because Gould was refuting the arguments of Scientific Racism and Biological Determinism in general. You clearly didn't read the book to make such a blatant error. Gould and Weisberg never claimed to have measured the skulls. They looked at the statistical data and found systematic errors that conformed to Morton's racial bias.

As for scholars being called racists when you receive money from an organization whose founder has connections to the KKK, Nazis, Segregationists and states his goal was to prove Blacks are inferior you have confirmed that you have conflict of interest and earned the label of racist.

 

You said that Gould implied he measured skulls with the title of his book which is a lie.

I am well-versed in psychological warfare. I want you to see the face and credentials of the scholars whose research I am posting to enforce the fact that these are real people with noteworthy accomplishments and not words on a screen.

 

Calling a book "Mismeasurement" IS an implication he measured/found Morton's wrong.
Indeed, he said Morton had fudged them.
Eh... English.

gameover #879
(No Graves to quote=Washout in size as well as the usual fact)
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You're not well versed in citations if your adding pictures.
No one does that.
Even bios do not require multiple pictures of Nisbet and Maceachern.
Reading tabloids at the supermarket?

You have a self-issue with credibility, and you will do anything to compensate for your Lack of it.
You're not "well versed" in anything but Spamming a board to death. If you call that "psychological warfare". LOL
"Psychological Welfare".. maybe.

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Mismeasure is in reference to Biological Determinists thinking they can rank people by their ability and human worth. Morton is simply used as an example. Read the book before pretending you know what you are talking about.

 

Isn't "race realism" just a more sophisticated outgrowth of craniometry or phrenology?

Isn't it just a search for a way to justify one's prejudices?

If such a theory were proven true; what then? How would knowing this "fact" benefit anyone?

Please explain why it's not just a complete waste of time and effort.

 

Why should genetic study of only ONE species of the Tens of thousands of others being studied, be considered 'racism.'
Do you have a problem with Chimps having 2 Species, and 4 subspecies/Races?
Gorillas having 2 Species, and 6 or 7 subspecies/Races?
Not if You didn't know they had them!
There's no perspective on the issue because there is NO knowledge: only politics.

Much of the data comes from studies that have no malice (or even necessarily any Race interest), but a general one in psychology, IQ/schooling studies, Medical research, Justice dept/criminal stats, Human Genome mapping, our own personal ancestry, etc.

Not only is our own genetics at least as interesting, but more useful than studying Fruit Flies, Rats, Bats, or Elephants..

'Race Realism' doesn't necessitate inferiority/superiority, that was Your Inference.
It does imply there are physical and/or cognitive differences among human groups/Races.: and there obviously are.
These may be, and are, useful in many fields, with much more possibly coming in the age of genetic medicine and manipulation.

PS: phrenology is discredited, craniometry/Craniology is not.
PS2: you were answered by several posts throughout the thread.
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I see absolutely nothing wrong with studying human physiology and genetics. We can always stand to learn more.

The label "race realism" implies (to me) a specific use for the knowledge. That it be used for the purpose of promoting a discriminatory agenda.

I have a hard time taking the idea seriously, because it seems like an agenda in search of proof. Any conclusions obtained through such a bias is suspect.

 

Exactly!
Labels like 'Race Realism', 'Scientific Racism', are indeed and intentionally loaded.
They implicitly make any facts/evidence they don't like into an accusation/smear!
Thanks for unwittingly acknowledging it.

I'm also the (Perjorative term) 'Evolutionist' ... or 'Scientific Evolutionist', 'Evolution Realist,' that has lead to my other Evolution based conclusions on human groups/subspecies/Races.
IF one wants to make an absurd accusation of it.
[Evangelical] Creationists oft do use the accusatory 'Evolutionist' for factual posters they don't like. ("I'd like a Nickel..)
[Liberal] Creationists insist evolution stopped 200,000 years ago. This their absurd new "labels."

PS: I edited out a longer fact-based post as we are Nowhere near needing it, or able to have a mutual exchange of such.
Bye now.
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PS2:
Look at the usual NON-RESPONSIVE/NON-Conversant ejay Link dump below.
His (at least) 5000th Gratuitous Link Dump of Joseph Graves!
Many Identical/Multiples even in the same posts! or threads: 3, 4, 5, 10!
(replete with the needless 9-line, name, address, rm#, to add volume/credibility)
"Dear Uncle Joe who I knows agrees with me beforehand, would you please say so for a message board I post on.."
thanks
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You are of course correct. Taxonomy26 is a racist who has deluded himself in to thinking that the debate over whether humans have biological races is the same as viewing certain races as mentally inferior. What he calls "race-realism" is known in academia as Scientific Racism and has been discredited as a pseudoscience. Phrenology is a form of Scientific Racism from the 19th Century and some people have been fooled in to thinking that because some racist quacks have used modern scientific disciplines to try to validate their racist theories that there may be an element of truth to their research.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_topics_characterized_as_pseudoscience

• Scientific racism – claim that scientific evidence shows the inferiority or superiority of certain races.[170][171]

Taxonomy26 has been defeated in this and other threads by me recently but persists in promoting pseudoscience. Taxonomy26, if you really believe that your racist theories can be validated by science then respond to the philosophical arguments of Dr. Graves that are directly related to your conversation with Thought Criminal. Also try to do it without making racist comments about Graves such as calling him "Uncle Joe" and a "House Scientist" because I will report you. Racial slurs are not allowed on this message board.

 

The human "Race" is singular and can obviously breed within itself which defines it. What we refer to as "Race" in the context here is cultural vs. genetic and should be discussed as such. There are clear and obvious cultural and individual differences that any one "Race" will use against another due to psychological variables and emotional preference but we are one singular type of animal.

 

I refer to and always distinguish scientific "Race/SUBSPECIES" from the Colloquial/Nightly news usage.
And I did so above.
I am always quite clear about that, and have explained it Scientifically (hark! Taxonomically) in at least 100 posts here.

Whether or Not humans should be a single Race/Subspecies IS the debate here, and in science.
Of course, many scientists, especially PHYSICAL and Forensic Anthropologists Use RaceS Every day in the course of their actual PHYSICAL work, and in actual Legal cases.
And they are easily able to distinguish BETWEEN them from Blood tests, Skeletal remains, etc.
That is not "Psychological".

And ALL Races/Subspecies can interbreed.
Only separate Species cannot.
You've demonstrated you don't know the difference between the two, nor the basics of the debate.
And that's being kind because I like your sci posts generally,
take care

PS: Gotta laugh again about how 'Thought Criminal' above totally and Unwittingly admitted he was a Victim of the "IMPLICATIONS" of the "LABEL" instead of any facts. Precisely the point of those bogus labels.
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There is no reason to get upset about my commentary nor to insult my intelligence or try to use scientific terminology as if you understand it. It is quite clear you wish to promote an agenda that separates our species into racial groups, I get that. I really do not care about your personal choices as I merely stated fact.

 

I guess that I just don't get it. It seems to me that people are wasting their time and efforts to prove a point that would have no value.

Like I asked previously: Suppose the theory is proven true; what then? Do we move ever farther from a merit based society? Do we use it to justify a perpetual underclass? Do we anoint Asians as the ones to make all decisions?

Group based averages are only that... Averages. They are worthless at the level of individuals.

 

I do understand it.
You do not.
Again, I've demonstrated it 100-200 times, while you just got embarrassed by example, and correction as to terminology.

So of course, you have no Topical answer to my content/Correction of your miscues or claims, just ego-driven nonsense.

EDIT to below: I confirm: "No Topical answer", just last-wording.
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Have A Nice Day

 

The truth is that you're actually afraid to debate me on the subject because you know you will lose again.

 

I've already gutted you many times.
ie,
"Et tu Nisbet"/Brain size 3 days ago.
http://www.politicalforum.com/index.php?threads/“we’re-talking-about-white-anxiety-”.515414/page-3#post-1068144690
Triggering your usual Xtra long deflection/cover-it Barrage.

And you do not/cannot 'debate.'
You Spam up Joe Graves on every page of every thread.
The above usage on this page, just another gratuitous/nonsense/endlessly repeated one.

and when things get even worse for you... There's two, three posts in a row/Burial attempts, full of Irrelevant trolling Pictures, Youtubes, Interracial jpgs/gifs, and all manner of juvenile obfuscation.
Unbelievably childish 'stuff' for someone trying to get credibility from Link Dumps of his confirmation bias letters to scientists.
And even then you can't help posting Pictures of those you write, to add more volume.

Making your Burial attempt posts scroll 2, 3, 5 feet long with stuff that doesn't even address a question.. because you have no two sentence answer.
You mistake the brawn/volume of your posts...
Correction.
You intentionally post Many feet of scrolling BS to conceal the fact you are clueless, and try and win/impress with length.
The methods of a Physical, not intellectual fighter.

Consistently, You also think "last-wording" is winning.
In fact, you count on it.
Other people '"flee" your endless spamming/juvenile last wording.
No mature person would indulge it.
You always last-word, you never win.
I make my winning posts and let you Flail on into the night.
Oft (and eventually realizing) your post/s so inadequate, you have make a few more.

Oh, and lets not forget:
For good measure I took, and slaughtered your scifo challenge: another joke.
Last-word away!
I'm done with you now.
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Note the usual Deception below.
I Left pathetic Scifo after 8 posts, in Good standing, and read the board signed-IN until....
I was "banned" more than 2 Months after my last post. And Only because Ejay emailed them to tell them what was going on, after I revealed it to him here.

 

You got banned after 8 posts and since you didn't inform me that you were going to register on the board we never actually had a direct exchange. We can always debate on another science message board. But I already know that you have no interest in debating on a scientific platform. You are making excuses not to debate in this thread. My post directly addresses the argument you're making here.

 

There's no deception on my end. You left the board but that doesn't mean you were in good standing. You were a nobody with 8 posts making racist arguments. Based on my observation after you quit posting they simply forgot about you. You were the one who made me aware of your account and boasted that the moderator Bells had ducked a debate with you. So naturally, in the interest of restarting the debate, I contacted him and made him aware of your claims. Bells thought you were another poster from earlier in the thread. That's how little they thought of you that they confused you with some other racist.

I didn't tell anyone to ban you so you will have to take it up with them to find out why you were banned. Maybe they matched your IP to another account and consider your account to be a sockpuppet. I don't know. All I know is you were banned after 8 posts and we never had a direct exchange there. Since you're too much of a coward to debate me on a science message board you can debate me here and you will get shutdown just like the last few debates.

Go ahead and try it.