Why Europe Is Irrational About Israel

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  1. Taxcutter

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    Israel reminds Europe of all the things they wanted to be but have failed to achieve.

    http://pjmedia.com/spengler/2014/10/14/why-europe-is-irrational-about-israel/?repeat=w3tc

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    “The Europeans hate Israel with the passion of derangement.”

    “Large Muslim populations in Europe constitute a pressure group for anti-Israel policies…”

    “The flowering of Jewish national life in Israel makes the Europeans crazy. It is not simply envy: it is a terrible reminder of the vanity of European national aspirations over the centuries, of the continent’s ultimate failure as a civilization.”

    “Europeans cannot live with their past. They cannot live with their present, and do not plan to have a future…”


    Taxcutter says:
    Israel’s success rubs Europe’s nose in their own failures. Add in a growing Moslem minority and we have the roots of anti-Semitism.
     
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    Israel has received more foreign aid for longer than any other country for the smallest population.
     
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    Taxcutter asks:
    From Europe?
     
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    From the US and from Jewish charities in Europe and the US.

    I don't know how anyone could possibly be envious of Israel.. They have been at war with all the neighbors for over 60 years.
     
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    Israel has their act together and Europe is falling apart and becoming Islamistan.

    Israel's neighbors could make peace any old time.
     
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    The roots of anti-Semitism existed centuries before Islam was invented and long before Europe was a recognized as its own continent.
     
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    Jonsa Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Yes, and during that time, not only have they persevered and prevailed against long odds, they have thrived.

    Thrived without the benefit of sitting on oceans of oil, as have all the arab nations with high per capita gdp. Israel's gdp (ppp) per capita is greater than Russia's and all of Africa. In fact greater than 150 other nations on earth.
     
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    There are many tiny, successful countries that are prosperous, stable and at peace. Many.
     
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    Not really ... Europe give to all the Arab Terrorists because of the mistake they made accepting more than 50 Million Muslims in their midst. And these today have a huge influence on their respective European governments.
     
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    You cannot envy Israel and try to discredit it in the same time. On the other hand what has the Arab Terrorists contributed to the welfare of world Peace, and Peace among themselves?
     
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    If you think anyone envies Israel, you're nuts.

    Nobody who calls out airstrikes and kills 700 kids over a criminal murder is to be envied.. They are pathetic.

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    Nobody who calls out airstrikes and kills 700 kids over a criminal murder is to be envied.. They are pathetic.
     
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    OTOH, not many surrounded by nations that have wanted to destroy them since their inceptions and have tried on repeated occasions to do exactly that.
     
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    I think you have forgotten every book you've ever read on Marxism, Bolshevism, Leninism, or Neo-Conservatism. I also think you are overlooking the fact that Israel is the largest purveyor of Ecstacy and white slaves to the U.S. And it was the pro-Israel crowd that compromised the Manhattan and follow-on projects and shuffled off trade secrets to the Soviets. But the Israelis do make good sandals. MOD EDIT - Rule 3
     
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    The aim of Israel by the Zionist founders of the movement was to provide a homeland for the Jews. In the opinion of the Zionists, Jews could not live with others and the only place they would be safe was in a Jewish homeland.
    So if you look at Israel from that perspective then Israel is a complete failure. The majority of Jews do not live Israel. Israel is the most dangerous country Jews live in. The Jews live safely in America and Europe where they face little anti-Semitism. What anti-Semitism there is increases dramatically when Israel starts one of its infamous "mowing the lawn" exercises, a nice euphemism for culling innocent women and children. Immigration to Israel is slowing so it is in the interests of the Zionists to see anti-Semitism rise in Europe, so its little culls are win win situations for the Zionists, they get to kill women and children and as a by product hope an increase in anti-Semitism might drive a few more European Jews into the clutches of Israel.
    Note how the Zionists claim the Islamification of Europe, completely ignoring the fact that there is not a European country with as high a percentage of Muslims in it as Israel has! Of course in Europe we do not have a racist constitution that ensures one ethnic,racial and religious group must dominate for ever, as Israel has.
    Without doubt Europe has been irrational about Israel since the Holocaust, supporting a clearly racist state, the British saw what was happening when Zionist terrorists starting attacking Britain and blowing up their own ship full of refugees(claiming that Jews blew themselves up rather than not go to Israel), just one example of how far Zionism is prepared to go. Britain abstained from the UN resolution that allowed the creation of Israel. But because of a powerful Zionist lobby in Europe and the US the insanity happened.
    It was completely irrational to think an indigenous population would accept foreign immigrants creating a state without bloodshed.
    It was completely irrational to give the Zionists a state in the middle east out of guilt for what the Europeans did to the Jews in the holocaust(the majority of which were not even Zionists)
    It was completely irrational to think the Arabs would except being "punished" for what Europeans did.
    It is completely irrational for Europeans to believe that Israel has any interest in a 2 state solution when she continues to build settlements on the West Bank virtually ensuring a 2 state solution cannot now be implemented.
    It is completely irrational for Europeans not to see Israel will not last forever, and it would be better to push for a solution similar to Northern Ireland, and let demographics take there course.
    70 years is no time at all for a country to exist, no matter how successful Israel appears to be, crow all you like now, but remember the lessons that European history teaches us. It is better to negotiate when you are winning, and be benevolent to those you have vanquished.
     
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    Have you ever wondered WHY?
     
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    Have you ever thought that they are surrounded by uber antisemitic countries who want to destroy them? The same ones you DEFEND?
     
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    Have you ever considered that the Zionists chose to be surrounded by Muslim countries?
    They could of chose Mauritius, have you ever been to Mauritius?
     
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    My oh my how some brains can distort reality. LOL

    With that said, I support Israel, although feel they are not spotless, but no nation is.

    And I doubt even if a two state solution comes about, the Palestinians will still be incapable of living in peace alongside Israel. Wrong part of the world for a modern civilization.

    Given that Israel is the one that has been attacked, and defended itself, it is amazing that some people blame it on Israel. I guess it makes some people angry that Israel has been able to make it in that cesspool that is the middle east. The only men who can rule over these folks have to be brutal dictators for that is all that they understand.

    If you are not tough like Israel, you don't stand much of a chance in that neck of the woods. Yet few people seem to see the fact of the matter.
     
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    Europe is odd about its relationships with Israel.

    Israel is European in some very popular aspects: Israeli teams play in the European Championship of volley and football [soccer for American readers] and I can assure you that this means to be European. The Maccabi Tel Aviv is a basket society who is known and appreciated all around Europe. Just to make an example.

    For the rest, there is an operative limit that forces EU "powers" [well, "powers" ...] to be careful in exposing themselves in the Middle East. It's known that IDF is superior to all EU armies together [UK and France armies included], so why should Israel bother to have EU countries as military allies?

    Better Turkey, but in the last years Turkey is changing and this has suggested to Tel Aviv to find new partners [it's common now to see IAF training also in Sardinia with Italian Air Force ... may be because the two air forces share the same acronym ....IAF = Italian Air Force, but also Israeli Air Force].
     
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    yes I have a pretty damn good idea.

    Since intransigent , refusal to accept facts, ideological hatred, incompetence, repeated defeats, corruption, failure to seize opportunity, and a heavy dash of utter stupidity are hallmarks of Palestinian and Arab history since the end of ww2, the reasons are readily apparent for most to recognize.
     
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    Of course the fact the US, the UN and muslim charities have been propping up the Palestinians since day one, should be ignored. Have you ever thought that Israel's neighbors have been at war with them for over 60 years?

    Tell us all again who declared war on who and of those declarees how many of them have since waged peace?


    Is that a bit of bias showing?

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    Mauritius? ah yes the birth place of Abraham, the site of the Temple, the place where the entire jewish bible takes place. Its just so obvious.
     
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    Israel's success was funded and protected by the west, including much of Europe.

    Israel owes it's entire existence to the west. The west owes Israel nothing.
     
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    I always wondered why Mauritius, but then I do not get the whole Zionist thing. And the religious bit is the most confusing of all. If you convert to Judaism then you get the right of return. So you have no ties to the country other than your newly obtained religion,in a secular country. It is pretty weird. Imagine if England gave anyone who converted to CofE the right to citizenship!
     
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    You should stop thinking like a victim and consider the Zionist treatment of the Palestinians since the 1920s..

    Meanwhile... there hasn't been a Temple for 2000 years.
     
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    Nah, you really don't.
     

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