Why go on... and on about it...

No, it isn't BS. The concept of "homophobia" predates the discussion of it here, by a few decades. I know the concept (socially-speaking) is real and can surely be detected. As for actual 'diagnosis'... I'm no expert on the psychology of it; I can admit that.

 

Poor boy is hopelessly trapped in his heterophobic delusions.

Homophobia has never been listed as part of a clinical taxonomy of phobias, neither in Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM) or International Statistical Classification of Diseases and Related Health Problems (ICD); homophobia is usually used in a non-clinical sense
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homophobia

 

The concept of "homophobia" is as credible as ANY 'idea' you've asserted here in this thread.

BTW, who is "Poor boy..."? (Seems that reporting you is in order.)

 

No...homosexuals can do as they wish...I just wish they wouldn't "flit around" so much and act all girley-girl with that awful lisp they inflect. They are being pushed down our throats though by the media, but then entertainment in general is rife with them.

 

Stop freaking out man. And why do you believe the very 'stereotype' of homosexual males, which you indicate that you do?

I think I could place at least 5 gay men in front of you or around you, that you wouldn't know were gay (by your stereotypical definition). In any case though, unless someone is forcing SEX upon you as a person... I don't see why you couldn't handle that.

 

Yeah, you go ahead and slither on over from a "diagnosis" to "concept" and pretend we dont all see the trail of slug slime left behind.

Thats what you do here.

 

I have no reason to suspect those people who frequently rail against homosexuality are latent homosexuals (some may be, but that may also be the case with some who defend the rights of homosexuals,) but I do share Gwendoline's concern (surprise might be a better descriptor,) at those people who repeatedly make homophobic comments.

I had a friend at school who claimed to be homosexual when he was about 15, (but I suspect it was a claim made for the sake of notoriety ) and I found him to be no different from any of the other guys. So, while I cannot claim to understand what makes a guy fancy other guys, I can honestly say someone else's sexuality does not affect me in any way. I spend no time thinking about what gays do with each other, so I'm cool with the whole deal.

I do not feel that I have the right to judge anyone upon how he/she expresses their sexuality, and as long as what they do is consensual, those involved are legally capable of giving that consent, and no physical or psychological harm is done, I feel it is no one else's business what two or more people do in private.

 

First of all it's you who is freaking out...and I believe (as you put it) what I see, and what I see is all this flitting about with wrist bending and lisping which is so uncool, and so unlike a man...as for women who call themselves gay, I've seen very womanly dykes and then I've seen the butch ones with flattop haircuts who spit chewing tobacco...that's pretty weird to me as well...forcing sex on me...doubtful, very doubtful. I "handle it" as you say, I just find it obnoxious and especially when it's displayed all over tv and we are supposed to accept it. Well I don't, maybe in a hundred years people will become accustomed to it, currently, I am not.

 

I can relate to what you are saying and agree wholeheartedly!!

 

Really, YOU need to learn to deal with the reality that people are 'different'. And certainly, if you can adjust to the fact that people express themselves in ways you may not agree with, then that is YOUR problem... not theirs. If you aren't harassed or sexually assaulted by someone... I ask: What is YOUR problem?!

And yes, SOME gay guys are feminine. I think YOU need to get over it... period.

Have you EVER seen "straight" people go overboard? I have. It used to annoy me to no end. Even so, now I'm very confident as a man, including my homosexuality; it took me a LONG time to get there, but it helps a great deal to be sure of YOURSELF (sexually). Now, I'm most entertained by the fact that people are DIFFERENT (yes, I had my hangups too).

Well, the world doesn't adjust to YOU... you must adjust to IT.

 

Perhaps you need to get over telling me how to live my life! I am simply stating what I feel, not anything else. You sure have a burr under your saddle!

 

Don't worry, at the end of each post; my intentions are signed, sealed and delivered. I have 'zero' intention of trying to control you.

Perhaps I responded to you putting one there. But thanks... I'll clear it out and move along.

 

Yes in fact, its scientifically proven:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8772014

 

I'm not sure exactly what you are referring to. Are you saying that if someone disagrees with your viewpoint....that they are a closet homosexual? That's a pretty convenient stand to make if that is the case.

What I have found...is that when I merely state that marriage should be for a man and a woman.....then I am suddenly "going on, and on and on in a derogatory way" in the perspective of ssm activists.

Gay Lesbian Activists seem to hear things that were never said. Its interesting really. Like they have a template at the back of their head they look at instead of really listening to those who disagree.

 

First off, it was nice to see someone stay on point.

Debating about homosexuality, is what it is to that person. Their opinion, experiences, religious outlook, societal moral fabric consequences of an anything goes society...whatever. In the past many tactics have been used to silence people from the debate. For the more heated debater, the OP tactic was used quite frequently. A much younger generation might not have witnessed it to the degree that an older generation might have witnessed it..but the tactic was prominent, less so now.

Regarding homophobic comments being made.

To me a homophobic statement must be along the lines of "Gays frighten me to the point of I refuse to deal with them in society at all" It would have to include the fear of homosexuals and the irrational portion as well.

Or, "Gays frighten me so I will beat them up every chance I get"

Fear of, and irrational aspect.

Someone stating they believe homosexuality is not normal is not a homophobic statement. Or stating according to a religious persons god, homosexuality is against his will/laws etc. Those are opinions, views, perspectives etc.

Given my understandings of the politically designed term homophobia...how many people are making homophobic statements on this political forum?

Personally, I don't see many at all.

 

Around here, opposition to awarding them with tax breaks and governmental entitlements so they can feel better about themselves and so society feels better about them, is considered homophobic.

 

Not true, saying that you do not want someone to have the same protections you enjoy may make someone angry but it does not make you homophobic.

However most of the things that you write make you homophobic, there is a difference between having an opinion and being a bigot. Maybe one day you can come to realize this

 

Care to provide an example?

 

You have used the word queer in a derogatory sense multiple times, that would nominate you. Also, your statement that - and I paraphrase - Homosexual relationships are different from heterosexual relationships as they are nothing but two queers "rubbing genitals", add to this. Your complete lack of objectivity and constant repetition of false and refuted facts just to try and prove your point also give you more bigot points.

But I think what really pushed you into this category would be your comparisons of a same sex relationship to bestiality, pedophilia, incest, rape, and various other crimes.

 

Revealling, for you my use of the word "queer" is evidence of my homophobia. Do you undertand that it is their word? 'Queer Theory" "Queer Nation"

 

I understand the point you are making about what homosexuality means to different people, from different societies, different religious beliefs, and different generations. I would say that people of my generation are less concerned about such things than my grandparents' generation.

But to address the adjective 'homophobic', I suspect that you are being somewhat punctilious about the definition. In common usage, it does not only mean a fear of all things homosexual, it is also used in the more general critical and condemnatory sense.

So in that wider sense, I have read many comments on this board which may be considered homophobic, or to be more precise, critical, and expressing repugnance of homosexuality. I have seen homosexual people told that they are unnatural, abnormal, perverted, and that they are going to Hell.

As I said in a previous post, I am surprised at this level of interest taken in someone else's sexuality, and I consider the aforementioned comments uncalled for, judgmental, and extremely impolite.

 

And maybe you missed "in a derogatory sense". The context of a sentence can change the meaning and emphasis of a word, fyi.

You are horrible about distorting the entire message and just blatantly ignoring 90%+ of someone's posts

This is typical of your non-arguments though, I should expect nothing less from someone of your caliber.

You asked, I responded.

 

Yes, you are correct I am. It serves to highlight my position that the labling mechanism put in place is being stretched to apply the term homophobic to those who simply disagree in debate of the issue(s).

The term hatemonger just wasn't specific enough (I'm assuming) for a specialized agenda, as the application of hatemonger on an entire species populace as being hatemongers when in disagreement with the pro homosexual activists, would have not been the most successful type of pitch to "guide" all those people into changing their perspectives.

The political branch of the medical community again provided solution to the activists dilemma. Homophobia was born (errr diagnosed)....and here we are.

 

Just stopped by to see who's keeping this thread about gays going on... and on... so I can judge the people who keep posting here.

 

equal rights don't grant themselves.