Why Gun Laws Don't Work

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  1. Turtledude

    Turtledude Well-Known Member Donor

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    1) a Duke study proved that the Brady Background check did ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to decrease violent crime

    2) the people most likely to be disarmed by leftwing gun control schemes are those LEAST LIKELY to harm others with firearms

    3) crime control is mainly a facade gun banners use to hide their real motivations for trying to prevent, or hinder, honest people obtaining guns
     
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    Such as?
     
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    That's a flat out lie and you know it.
     
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    Well Bonded Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    False 11% of murderers once released commit another murder within 9 years of their release and 38.9% of them commit another act of violence other than murder in that same time period.

    Last I checked Russia is not located within the U.S., as such their systems and their results are not relevant to the subject at hand.
     
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    False, anyone who commits a crime against another person is evil.
     
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    Well Bonded Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Or worse yet, take it to the level some anti-gun prosecutors have and charge the driver of the car whose passenger was killed by a drunk driver even though that driver tried to avoid the drunk driver.
     
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    And therefore increase the number of victims of crime, while doing nothing about the criminal misuse of firearms, they are some sick puppies, they hate the law abiding and support criminals all in the name of saving lives.
     
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    Only the worst crimes -- not pickpockets. Not minor assault.

    But even the worst criminals have Humanity. Mary Shelly understood it very well. Igor Frankenstein was as much a victim of Society as a monster.
     
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    Most murder victims are their own killers. Most killers kill themselves.
     
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    Russian prison system is much more humane then US system. In Russia most prisoners get rehabilitated. In USA most prisoners suffer and get more angry.
     
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    The plight of fictional characters are of no relevance to the discussion.
     
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    Provide the evidence of such.
     
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    Igor Frankenstein represents real humans rejected by 1818 Society -- runaway slaves and serfs, actual highwaymen.
     
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    I have no formal evidence. I just have a lot of knowledge about Penal Systems in USA and Russia.
     
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    Again. The plight of fictional characters are of no relevance to the discussion. They carry no more legitimacy or importance to the discussion, than the hypothetical plight of unicorns if such were ever to be discovered as being real creatures.
     
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    Meaning the claim of the prison system in the nation of Russia being more human than that of the united states is not actually something that can be proven by a citation of evidence. Meaning it is a claim that is unfounded, and nothing more than a factually deficient opinion.
     
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    False and not backed with slightest bit of truth.
     
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    They are criminals and they are evil.
     
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    I'd like to add a comment here. This is a way to look at the psychology that controls what people will or will not do.

    Assume that we all have a sort of "tool box", which contains the tools we use to navigate life.. These are like permissions, for example is it fair to steal, fair to hit someone, fair to cheat, to lie for gain, to manipulate, etc. What I have found is that once I see that you have a given tool in your box, I know it is there- and I know you will use it when you think conditions call for it. Thus I only have to see it once to know the person is capable of using it. This has allowed me to be able to read peoples character, to know and often predict what and how they will react to various situations.

    In classes where I taught lifeskills, one of the ways I explained this to people was a question- How many times does a dog have to bite you before you know the dog bites? Of course, the answer is Once.
    You may have a relationship with that dog later, but you will never forget he will bite when he feels like it. When a person breaches any moral code, we should know that they are willing and capable of doing it again- it is just matter of circumstances calling for it. Once a person has murdered intentionally, that person is many times more likely than the average person to do so again.

    The idea that they were driven to it by social issues is an excuse; the real reason is that they were always morally capable of it.
     
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    What I mean is that suicide is more common then murder.
     
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    I do not think nonviolent offenders are bad people -- they made a mistake.

    Worst criminals did commit evil, but they can be rehabilitated.
     
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    In other words you once again have posted something you know nothing about.
     
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    Baloney, they knew what they did is wrong and must be punished to the fullest extent of the law.

    Another lie, the worst have clearly proven by their re-conviction rate they can never be rehabilitated therefore they should be held in prison for their entire lives or excuted.
     
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    White collar crime generally does not involve any type of violence whatsoever. Did corrupt CEOs unknowingly commit a mistake when they robbed their employees of their retirement funds?
     
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    Or get them killed by not providing the proper safety gear and training.
     

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