Why I dislike the AGW cult

The reason I so intensely fight against the AGW loonies is you got a problem the got a cause and it's global warming. Coral reefs dying is a good example of this with warmers saying yup, global warming. Dig a little deeper and there's other reasons for most if not all these issues that warmers point to.
Global warming sucks up all the oxygen in the room and takes people's eyes off real problems we can really solve. AGW is nothing but the latest greatest Boogeyman under the bed.

"The native species that invasive lionfish are feeding upon do not recognize lionfish as a predator and flee. In fact, just the opposite has been shown to be true. Small fish will often congregate around a lionfish, most likely believing that the lionfish’s long spines, fin rays and feathery pectoral fins offer them shelter and protection from predators. However, when the lionfish is ready to eat, these fish are herded into alcoves where they cannot escape. Lionfish use lighting fasts strikes and gulp down dozens of whole fish at a time. Science has demonstrated that a single lionfish can reduce native marine creatures by 80% to 90% in its range within just 5 weeks.

The native marine species that lionfish are decimating are important for ecological, commercial, traditional and recreational reasons.

Ecologically important species include the “grazers” and the “cleaners” that maintain the health of the reef and the health of other fish."


https://lionfish.co/why-are-lionfish-a-problem/

 

I find it very difficult to believe that your position on AGW has anything to do with the your concern for West African reefs. But thank you for posting this. It will be a handy guide to use when I am explaining to my kids what a non sequitur is.

Is your OP abut global warming? global warming alarmism? coral reefs? lion fish? the ability of humans to have multiple concerns in their head at the same time? something else?

 

Lion fish are native to the Great Barrier Reef.

But it is threatened by warming oceans and decreasing pH.

...just saying

 

Global warming is given credit for reef destruction world wide and the OP is an example of how the Boogeyman AGW is credited for everything by true believers but often is not a player. It's like when Bonnie and Clyde were credited for bank robberies all over America in the frenzy of that era. A bank was robbed? They did it.

 

The OP is just one of hundreds of examples of AGW sucking the oxygen out of the room and taking people's eyes off of real problems with real solutions.

 

The article you linked doesn't say anything about global warming. The only person who has made any kind of implied connection between the article and AGW is ... you!. Your entire OP boils down to "Why I dislike the AGW cult ... here's a link to a problem with coral reefs that has nothing to do with AGW and does nothing to support anything I said in the previous paragraph"

 

OP is an insight into the false allegations and AGW hysteria presented in aricles like this.

Caribbean has lost 80% of its coral reef cover in recent years
Comprehensive survey of the Caribbean's reefs is expected to act as a warning of problems besetting the world's coral

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2013/aug/01/caribbean-coral-reef-loss

 

No. The OP is 2 paragraphs. Paragraph 1 is a rant and paragraph 2 is a random, unrelated link which does not support anything you are trying to rant about. The OP is a non sequitur. Your argument is "Lionfish are killing stuff in coral reefs" therefore "AGW hysteria prevents people from solving other problems".

Lets see if you do any better with your second linked article ...

Nope. Honestly, did you even read the article?
Now, I'll grant you, science reporting is generally bad. They pulled the title of the article out of a (mis)quote from the director of the project they are trying to report on. His quote is "The Caribbean was chosen to launch the global mission because it is at the frontline of risk. Over the last 50 years 80% of the corals have been lost due mainly [to] coastal development and pollution. They now are also threatened by invasive species, global warming and the early effects of ocean acidification — it's the perfect storm." Which they chop down to "Caribbean has lost 80% of it's coral reef cover in recent years"

Now explain to me how either of these articles support your assertion that "The reason I so intensely fight against the AGW loonies is you got a problem the[y] got a cause and it's global warming. Coral reefs dying is a good example of this with warmers saying yup, global warming."

 

The reason we dislike brainwashed denier cult shills is:

1. They automatically project their own fanatical cultist nature on to honest people at every opportunity.

2. They're intellectual cowards who always run from the actual science and actual debate.

3. They're invariably supporters of authoritarian governments.

4. They're walking examples of Dunning-Kruger Syndrome, people who lack enough knowledge to understand they lack knowledge.

5. They almost always lie.

So, where is the lionfish native too? That's right, the Pacific and Indian oceans. That includes the Great Barrier Reef.

What's dying? The Great Barrier Reef.

So, how is it that a fish that has been in the Great Barrier Reef since forever suddenly started killing the reef? Your theory is hilariously stupid.

This is where you scream insults and then run while whining about insults, thus confirming point 2 especially well. After that, we'll keep pointing out you ran, so you'll go into a major victim routine, and then flail about looking for other ways to change the topic.

 

I hope you realize that nobody cares about friggin lionfish. They care about the sea level rise, droughts, hurricanes, and pests that will come from warming.

 

Nice illustration of JW's point.

 

It's a fair point. AGW is often prematurely blamed for a lot of problems. It's also directly linked to individual weather events which is also annoying. But, that does not take away from the fact that the Earth is warming and that humans primarily responsible.

 

There has been a lot of research proving the points I mentioned and isn't comparable to the debate about sea lions or whatever. I will freely try to answer any honest question you have about climate science.

 

As the OP doesn't want to discuss the OP any more, maybe you can help him out.

Given that lionfish have always been present in the Great Barrier Reef, how can they be the cause of the Great Barrier Reef recently dying?

And by the way, the rational people care very much about the invasive lionfish in the Caribbean. Simply search on "invasive lionfish" to see many examples of the problem being discussed and addressed.

So, the OP was lying when he claimed the issue of invasive lionfish was being ignored because of global warming. That confirms my point 5.

And you won't want to discuss this, confirming my point 2.

 

It’s pretty apparent to the US military which is committed to AGW solutions that man made long term weather changes have a lot to do with unrest in the middle east, our economy, world trade and our commitments to keep shipping lanes open throughout the world. Tell us if any of the above mentioned qualifies one of our real problems.

https://www.scientificamerican.com/...es-ahead-with-plans-to-combat-climate-change/

 

I hate the AGW cult primarily because the leaders do not make sacrifice or call upon their people to make sacrifice.

If it were actually important, they would sacrifice and set the example for others.

There's no reason to take these cultists seriously.

 

Can you define what you mean by an AGW cultist?

 

Huh ?
What are you talking about ?
It was easy to tell coal miners they should not have lost their jobs. That was Trump’s talking points. It cost AGW believers votes in coal country telling them the truth. Coal mining is going the way of whale oil and miners should retrain and be ready to move. That’s asking for sacrifice. It’s asking for sacrifice telling people that college education is now as important as high school used to be if you want good paying jobs. Conservatives always take the easy way out when it comes to jobs and training. Deniers live in denial. Repugnants sell lottery tickets while truth tellers sell education and preparation.

 

It’s the never ending attempt to portray science and education as a cult by the ignorant and mentally lazy.

 

If an "AGW cultist" is someone who acknowledges the science of climate change then I'm not going to feel any shame about being a "cultist". I have no idea what was meant by "cultist" in this case, but I do get the same sense as you that many on here equate science with conspiracy, fraud, the new world order, or whatever.

 

Not sure of the connection between lion fish and agw “cult”
Is someone saying there is a connection between lion fish and agw?

And regards the coral reef... presumably everyone agrees that the reefs are suffering. What is the non agw cause of this problem?

 

Problem I have with the ignornt denialists is that

Come to think of it the ignorance is really the problem

That and strawman building

Oh! And cherry picking

And an inability to identify the difference between poor journalism and good science

 

So true!

Cannot be bothered to learn the facts they sit in a pig sty of ignorance throwing......

 

So you're saying your beliefs about science depend entirely on your feelings about politicians.

In contrast, we base our beliefs on the science. If Al Gore eats babies, it doesn't change the science at all. If Lamar Smith wins the Nobel Peace prize, his claims about science are still nonsense.

So, we're rational, you're a cultist.

 

Sorry; I'm not here to argue trivialities.