Why is having sex with a drunk woman considered rape?

And sometimes they can still win even when it's just a he said, she said.
Things aren't always as fair as many people casually assume they are.

 

Exactly what is that supposed to mean?

 

But how would you obtain that? The violent/fatal rape so beloved of TV/movies is thankfully comparatively rare, it's mostly one drunken/drugged person's word against the other.

 

As Cosby demonstrated.

 

when many people say the same thing, it become more believable

but there is a huge difference between two drunk people having sex and someone putting a date rape drug in someone drink - the first is not rape, the second is

I wonder how many accusations Trump is up to now?

 

If I can't have sex with a drunk woman I'm never getting laid again lol and think about the poor fatties it swings both ways.

Without beer fat girls will never get laid again or at least have to rely on black guys.

 

One doesn't give informed consent for sex.
They give consent.

 

The fact that you are completely unaware of sexual assaults against women and believe that the numbers are untrue shows your ignorance about such a serious topic. Why don’t you try googling and you’ll find so many sites. Here is one that is very legitimate and respected
https://www.rainn.org/statistics/victims-sexual-violence After you learn that this is true perhaps you will be more sympathetic to the cause
Tell me about women’s behavior that makes it OK for men to rape them or sexually assault them or to grab their ******* like your president
You may not be a feminist but you certainly are an extremist because you think that feminist believe women are perfect and without flaw. That’s what happens with extremist they can’t think of anything but black-and-white. A feminist is one who believes in equal rights for women so I am not surprised that you were not a feminist. And you are also one who believes that women are sexual predators the same as men.
Here’s another
https://rapecrisis.com/statistics/
I hope you are shocked by this but I am not because I know these facts are true. You can sit down with a group of women and you will find one in six has been a victim of attempted rape or rape.

 

I suggest you get news from other sources other than just fox

 

No he thinks they let him.”!!! I remember working in an office and the men would feel it was OK to massage my neck and shoulders while I was working. They were my bosses and I am sure they thought it was perfectly OK. How would you feel if a man in power grabbed a mans balls and the guy just laughed ..do you assume he likes it? As he said he grabs their ******* “because he can”

 

You were there?

 

Informed consent means that you are aware of what you are getting into, and are of sound mind.

 

I plead insanity your honor.

I'm crazy about that stuff.

 

Informed consent is traditionally applied to medical care, with the idea that the necessity, pros, cons and alternatives of a therapy have been discussed and understood. A legal document attesting to such is signed by both parties

 

Yes but can we base our legal systems on the principle of 'smoke without fire', especially with accused who are rich and famous? Look at all the folks who crawled out of the woodwork to accuse Kavanaugh? Cosby is still a 'he said she said', she said he drugged her, he says she took it voluntarily.

 

be up to a jury to decide

circumstantial evidence works if there is enough of it

 

By the very definition of consent, even a child could consent to sex. Consent means that they agree to do it. Consent has nothing to do with whether or not the agreeing party has any clue what they are consenting to. This is why informed consent is the standard, and no, that does not always need to involve paperwork. Even if we do not use the word "informed", the same standard of capacity of consent applies whether it is children, mentally limited individuals or intoxicated individuals.

 

You're using the wrong term.

informed means that you informed them of something.

Yes consent implies mental capacity to decide but it is not "informed"

 

But should we introduce unconfirmed accusations from other cases to influence a trial?

 

if there is many such as in the case of Cosby, I say yes, credible ones should be

 

But how do we know they are credible? Cosby had drugged/drunk sex with loads of women, now they can come out of the woodwork for money/fame/revenge etc It would be different if a man had already been convicted of a prior offence and that was introduced as evidence in his current trial because the crime he was convicted of was so similar eg the Babes in the Woods murders. But unproven accusations, especially when the accused is rich and famous?

 

the DA presents it to the judge and the judge decides

if you have many people that do not know one another making the same claims, that is compelling evidence

it's obviously harder to prove then if the victims all got rape kits right after... the jury will have their work cut out for them...

that is way sometimes people win in criminal court and lose in civil court

 

One persons word against the other about a drunken/drugged hookup years before.is not beyond reasonable doubt, we need more.

 

which is why when there is more then one, such as in cosby's case it should all be heard by the jury

no one is saying those cases are not harder to prove, if one is raped they are best going to the police right away

Trump has many accusations against him, if he really did all those crimes he will probably get away with it because of that fact

it's a tough call when it's a powerful person doing the crime as people will try to ruin the victim - just like in the case of the child molesting preachers

 

But at the same time people who are rich and famous are more likely to be targeted by false accusers?