Why is the American right wing so reluctant to help the Ukraine?

People like Tucker Carlson are spouting insane conspiracy theories that the US sabotaged the Nord Stream pipelines, normally sensible folks like Viva Frei and Robert Barnes seem to want to take the Ukrainians down at every opportunity, why?

 

I think it is a combination of the isolationism popular on the fringe right, a desire to "own the left," and a general like for "strongman" figures. The tinfoil conspiracy theories are secondary excuses. And before anyone gets their shorts in a bunch, I've also heard this **** from the isolationist, anti-"American imperialism" far left, and it obviously isn't he entire right that is supporting Putin.

 

Its because of their love for Russia and hate for US and Biden.

 

Thirty three trillion in debt and yet billions for Ukraine. What is the ROI for this handout? As a taxpayer, I am tired of giving money to other countries, when we have massive debt and unmet needs here at home. That position seems to me like a common sense position, rather than a right wing position. The "tin foil hat" choice on the poll is absurd. If one wants to creat a loaded poll a the word to consider is "subtile". You know. Pretend your poll is objective.

 

sounds like you love our country!! And I agree putting in a choice tin foil hat lmao hmmm very unbiased, you should be ready to be called a Russian lover and heartless

 

Unfortunately, as long as the right and left disagree on what 'unmet needs' actually are, it is a hollow argument.

 

Don't leave out the white-supremacism factor. American white-supremacists worship Putin as their antiwoke white-supremacist christofascist hero. His regime is everything they want the USA to be.

Too bad for them that the decadent feminist woke armies of the west are destroying the Russian macho men.

 

Conservative here. I have no problem helping Ukraine, but only through NATO. This is in Europe and if they are not interested in help like kind, then we have no business doing anything. I am tired of being the world police and going at it alone.

 

My question for the left, after being against every other foreign conflict why this one? Is it because you can't think on your own and will just walk in lockstep with what every your party says? Is it because you worship Biden and will do what ever he says?

 

Can the right and left agree that the domestic needs of Americans supercede the needs of Ukraine? I would hope the answer is yes.

 

What percentage of the US population are actually white supremacists? Probably a few thousand out of a population of 300 million?
"The decadent feminist woke armies of the west"?
I think those assertions belong with the tinfoil hat answer?

 

@Reasonablerob


From any historical value,
Ukraine is southern Rus - Land

Likewise Belarus is western Russia


Does that help?
Consider 1845 acquisitions
Fifty years later, + or -
Assimilating Hawai'i - A kingdom with recognition and embassies including German, Japan, France


Point:
Ukraine is a space,
not a nation!

A place of confrontation between Russian Eastern Orthodox vs Polish + Roman Catholicism.

Western Ukraine is NOT Rus!
Time to severe it.


Moi

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Well the truth is, we don’t know why the pipeline sprung a leak. It’s all speculation at this point. The theory that it was sabotage by the U.S. is fueled by Biden’s earlier statements ….



But it could just be a structural failure, or it could have been the Russians themselves, a false flag they can blame on the U.S. perhaps to shore up internal patriotism. We just don’t know.

There are a number of reasons a lot of Americans are reluctant to help Ukraine. It’s not just one thing.

- We just got out of a 21 year war. Many citizens are weary of constantly being at war.

- We have problems at home like inflation, fuel costs, homelessness and crime. People rightly wonder why we can’t solve these problems, but we can spend tens of billions of dollars on Ukraine.

- Some people don’t want our country to be the world’s policeman, and they wonder why Europeans don’t step up to the plate.

- We are under no treaty obligation to defend Ukraine.

- Russia is a nuclear power.

- A lot of people simply have no faith in Joe Biden and his administration. I fall into this category. When he was elected, my greatest fear was that he would stumble and bumble his way into yet another war of choice, and look where we are now. Tens of billions of dollars being spent on the war in Ukraine and a proxy war with Russia, promising to use U.S. armed forces to defend Taiwan, and North Korea is test firing ballistic missiles and once again threatening to use their nuclear weapons.

And we’re not even two years in to this administration.

It isn’t white supremacy. It isn’t because anyone loves Putin. It isn’t neo-fascism.

 

Did Obama love Putin also? He sat on his hands and did nothing in Crimea when it was taken by Russia. When that happened I am guessing you were no saying he was just being Putin's puppet. Other than your party wanting war, please tell why you think it would be a good idea for just the United States to go to war with Russia?

 

The question is why should the USA help Ukraine? Why should the USA go to the aid of one of the most corrupt nations on the planet? Why are politicians so desperate to send cash to the biggest money laundering nation in the world?

 

This has to be satire.

In which case, well done! I actually laughed out loud

 

I think our pal is trolling. That line gives it away, if nothing else!

Great name for a band, though: The Decadent Feminist Woke Armies of the West

 

Here's the other dead giveaway.

Fantastic

 

What would your ideal president have done about Crimea? Not defending Oh Bummer's inaction. Just curious.

 

This is fairly well observed.

Before the invasion of Ukraine it was pretty common online to hear US conservatives voice support for Putin. That doesn't necessarily mean a lot did, but enough that the opinion was considered acceptable. Trump also 'mainstreamed' support for Putin. There are clearly others who are opposing US involvement just because Biden is doing it & yet others who are isolationist. The fact that prominent Fox contributors still feel able to effectively support Putin says something about how acceptable this still is.

On the left there are a few 'anti-imperialist' Chomskybot types who are running the 'its all America/NATOs fault', but few of them are openly supportive of Putin. I have actually been surprised how unanimous support for Ukraine has been.

On this board support for Ukraine has been remarkably bipartisan. You can find people agreeing on those threads who have probably never agreed on these boards. Ever. Most of those openly supportive of Putin have a history of support for Trump. I am unaware of a single Biden supporter who is defending Putin (though there might be one or two)

 

Well, we said we would shut it down... we were either full of it then or we're full of it now saying we didn't. Given that Ukraine doesnt have the resources to do it (without help) and Russia only loses out, we're a pretty likely suspect.

As to why many Americans would oppose sending so much money to Ukraine... perhaps the same reasons many Americans opposed doing the same in Afghanistan? 20 trillion was the last number I heard on the total cost of that debacle...

 

Spoken like a true left wing extremist.

 

To stop Russian aggression?

 

Putin is well known as an ethnically based fascist and Russia has been a battleground for its own ethnicities (a typical empire) throughout its history. Ethnic supremacists recognize their own wherever they find them.

 

No, a true American patriot. One who recognizes that we are a nation determined by our beliefs and ideals rather than our race and history.