Why is the US the most criminally violent ''First World'' nation of all?

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  1. zalekbloom

    zalekbloom Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    The US leads the Western world in many competitions:

    by incarceration rate
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_incarceration_rate

    infant mortality:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_infant_and_under-five_mortality_rates

    by intentional homicide rate
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate

    by income inequality:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_income_equality

    by military expenditures:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_military_expenditures

    But the US is not leading in homelessness, here some statistics:
    Nr of homeless people per/10,000
    Germany - 81.9
    UK - 57.2
    France - 45
    Luxemburg - 37.5
    Israel - 29
    US - 17.7
    Canada - 10
    Poland - 8
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_homeless_population

    Have no explanation to these statistics.
     
  2. CKW

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    Actually it's called getting to the truth so that problems can be addressed. Australia is no different then US but is on a much smaller scale and can be ignored to a greater extent. Aborigines amount for 3% of your population...2% being adults. Yet your prisons are 28% Aborigine. Because whites aren't bothered so much there they just say it's racism and let it go. It's mainly the Aborigines being the victims after all. Who cares ?

    We can't afford to do that here in US. At some point HERE in the US, we need to deal with the problem so that all our peoples can flourish. It's an unhealthy culture nurturing this crime...not race. And that culture can transplant across all races if allowed to.
     
  3. Lil Mike

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    Well the issue was the wealth gap causing crime, so if you don't think that was the case, I'm not sure what it is you are trying to argue with me. The discussion wasn't about poverty.
     
  4. Lee Atwater

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    Well, if we're going to make an apples to apples comparison, it would require the fine folks of Finland to be subjected to hundreds of years of suffocating discrimination destroying the nuclear family, leaving them less educated with many living in poverty.
    Unless of course you subscribe to the fundamentally racist view that African Americans are violent criminals by nature. But I'm sure you don't believe that (wink).
     
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    I am not arguing, I am only sharing my opinion. You do not have to agree with it and nor do you have to share your opinion or answer questions if you don't want to (or cannot). I do not come here to argue for the sake of arguing. If you think education and poverty are totally unrelated to crime and/or wealth gap. the so be it.
     
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    Or if they handed out free guns to every black person in Tanzania, how long do you figure it would take them to be just as criminally-violent as African Americans?

    Tanzanians are armed with "pangas" aka machetes, but they don't use them to kill each other.

    You you still stuck on skin color being the only possible cause, which makes it impossible for you to consider any other cause, or combination of causes/
     
  7. Soupnazi

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    Wrong.

    Like white privilege toxic masculinity is a myth and nothing more than misandry as an ideology
     
  8. Mr.Incognito

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    Ok, tell us what percent of the total black population has ever committed a homicide?
     
  9. Creasy Tvedt

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    Ah, so it's not the guns then.

    Thanks for clearing that up.
     
  10. FatBack

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    I'm not sure if statistics like that are kept track of, but we do know what percent of the population they are and what percent of the violent crime they commit.

    Which is to say a largely disproportionate amount.
     
  11. Creasy Tvedt

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    I agree with you, it's not the guns.

    Tanzanians are, however, doing an amazing job of slaughtering each other with machetes.

    Crime Stats: compare key data on Tanzania & United States

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    https://www.nationmaster.com/country-info/compare/Tanzania/United-States/Crime
     
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  12. Lil Mike

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    Oh boy...I never said "education and poverty are totally unrelated to crime." The question I asked was:

    You for some reason have been trying to avoid that question. If you don't care about the question, don't respond to it with distractions.
     
  13. Hey Now

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    I would think you would first have to agree on a definition of what is 'the wealth gap'. But, I'll take a stab since I've chimed in.

    In any society where there is an increasing 'wealth gap', unless the money supply was infinite, it isn't to my knowledge, it means the rich are getting richer and more folks, the middle and poor, are generally getting poorer. Poverty, lack of survival resources (this would be relative to a region and climate), will most definitely increase crime. So will lack of policing resources, but that's a band aid not a solution. The rich get richer from trickle up, with the current rigging of the stock market since 2008 (too big to fail), the trickle is really a misnomer.
     
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    Yes, the male population of homicides IS disproportionate. You know the black population and how many murders they are responsible for, so it's not hard to figure out what percentage of the total black population are responsible for it.
     
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    That's false.

    The incomes of America's poorest are growing faster than ...
    https://www.economist.com › ... › Oct 9th 2021 edition

    Oct 9, 2021 — The wealthiest Americans have seen their assets increase in value ... The earnings out-performance for poorer Americans started in 2018.

    The incomes of America’s poorest are growing faster than those of its richest
     
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    Sure seems like you disagree with it, but then again, you have not offered any views of your own, so who knows.

    Yes, that was the question you asked another poster. I take it you disagree with it......or maybe not. No one knows.

    The wealth cap being the cause was someone else's argument, so it comes across trollish when you pester me to explain it, especially after I took the time to share my view of it, while you have not. I specifically said the size of the wealth cap doesn't matter, but poverty does (and you seems to disagree with that, but who knows since you never share any views of your own).
     
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  17. Lee Atwater

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    I wish I had cleared it up for you but you're as confused as ever.
     
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    So you’re saying that Switzerland has a border thousands of miles long by which not only drugs are flowing in but tens of millions of illegal unassimilated immigrants as well with all their crime, gangs, and trafficking.

    drug problems one place does not mean drug problems in another are in any way shape manner or form the same. Switzerland has a drug problem. Means nothing to our situation here in the US
     
  19. Creasy Tvedt

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    No confusion at all.

    I understand perfectly that it's a culture of criminality in the African American community, and not guns, that's driving much of the violence in the US.

    Obvious things are obvious.
     
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    Help me out by pointing out the text where I said that.
     
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    Low income earners getting closer to being able to feed their families isn't exactly going to cure society's ills.
     
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    Gee, I was hoping I was right about my assumption in post #129.
     
  23. Creasy Tvedt

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    Is this not accurate?

    I understand perfectly that it's a culture of criminality in the African American community, and not guns, that's driving much of the violence in the US.

    Please explain to me how that's not an accurate statement.
     
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    Glad to hear things are going in the right direction. Looks like it really picked up this year.

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    I dispelled the myth that poor Americans are getting poorer, didn't I?

    And in a country in the midst of an obesity epidemic, don't you think it's a bit hyperbolic to suggest that people are having difficulty getting them and theirs fed?

    What's the starvation rate in America?
     
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