Why is welfare moral?

Abraham Lincoln said that definition of slavery "Is you work I eat."

The definition of welfare is "You work. I eat."

How is the welfare state just when it is based on slavery?

 

Welfare isn't moral. When you forcibly take the fruits of a person's labor to redistribute to others it can never be justified as moral, no matter the reason.

 

Its always moral if someone else has more than they can use.

Or so I'm told…

 

Charity is moral when it's voluntary. It looses that high ground when it's imposed.​

 

If imposed, then by definition it is not charity.

 

Welfare is social insurance. And like any form of insurance it has it's problems. It is not really moral or immoral. It just is. I mean auto insurance isn't moral or immoral.

 

So letting people starve is moral?

 

The problem is that it's good to have a safety net in place for people who legitimately need it, but in a society like ours today where we are consumed by so much push-button luxury, many of us have lost the ability to determine who legitimately needs it and who is just being lazy. And so it becomes a slippery slope, and the (*)(*)(*)(*) thing just grows and grows and grows until eventually people are being rewarded for doing nothing and punished for being productive. Which can only last so long before the productive people say, "Hey! This is bull(*)(*)(*)(*)!" and go on strike, effectively causing a collapse of the welfare system.

 

Loses.

I agree.. When people are truly in need, they can get charitable assistance. It's when they aren't, but still want to get free money, that they need government-instituted welfare.

And sadly, the more government meddles, the more it messes things up and has to meddle even further..

 

then our founding fathers and maybe even the philosophy behind the USA is highly immoral. They took from the Indians and redistributed it to the white man.

 

Propping people up who can do things for themselves is just as immoral. It's called enabling. The best thing for someone who is caught in a mindset of learned helplessness is to force them to learn to be independent. It's the difference between putting a junkie in rehab and helping them buy drugs. One is helpful but difficult, the other is destructive but significantly easier. But if you really care about the person, you will help them do what's best for themselves, not what they want in that moment.

 

That is true but taxes are not theft.

So because the end result may not be what was intended we shouldn't try?
Thats immoral.

Thats why welfare isn't the problem the right wing makes it out to be.

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Welfare is not enabling. The right would love to have us all believe that but it simply isn't true for the most part.

 

I've been on welfare, fool. It's enabling as (*)(*)(*)(*). Ever been on it, yourself? Over time you get lulled into a learned sense of helplessness. And it's very easy to stay on it. There is little to nothing prodding people or even offering them a compreshensive plan for getting off of it. The unintentional message seems to be that once you get on it, you are free to remain there indefinitely.

 

Only if directly by my actions I deprive a person to their right to life if they do not owe my just compensation then that would be immoral. Otherwise it is not.
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The irony here is that by theft of taxation it is society that deprives individuals to their right to life

 

Making an honest mistake is not morally wrong... unless you live in a country ruled by the Taliban.

It's morally wrong to be a racist and assume most of Africa is ruled by warlords hijacking food and medicine.

 

But the language of the left is full of moral arguments when it comes to the welfare state. Income redistribution is argued in terms of social justice.

 

Welfare in and of itself it not immoral. Abusing welfare because you are simply lazy is immoral, but using it when you actually need help is not.

 

As long as we spend the trillions maintain a larger military than ALL of the rest of the world COMBINED, this idea of it being "immoral" to be "taking from others" to help the sick, disabled and children of THIS society is ridiculous.

Trillions for power, but let the old ladies eat garbage. Yeah, the "American Way".

 

You're free to help out those in need if you are so concerned.

 

Well maybe it is for the losers, but for the most part it isn't enabling at all.
It is what it's meant to be, a helping hand until one gets their feet back under them. with a time limit.

And for the record, I have not been on welfare.

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Well maybe it is for the losers, but for the most part it isn't enabling at all.
It is what it's meant to be, a helping hand until one gets their feet back under them. with a time limit.

And for the record, I have not been on welfare.

 

Morality dictates that you help others during their time of need. We are supposed to be a civilized society.

 

How is taxation 'theft'?
Do you not benefit from the taxes you pay? You have police protection, fire, roads, bridges, schools, the list of things you directly benefit from is too long to post here, so how is it 'theft'?
It's the best deal going when you get right down to it.

 

And all you have is ad hominem and speculation to refute what I've said. Sit down. You're done. You have no argument.

 

And your ad hominem had you sitting hours ago....."fool".
You had nothing to refute other than your weird opinion, so i have no idea what you were expecting.
If welfare got the best of you, then that is your problem, not welfare's, maybe it's time to stand up and have some personal responsibility?