Why Masks are Ineffective, Unnecessary, and Harmful

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  1. ronv

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    Every improvement helps. Much better than having it spray 10 or 12 feet.
     
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    The reason is that surgical masks don't attenuate aerosols.
     
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    The CDC practices pseudo science ??
     
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    Sure they do.
    They offer protection down to 0.1 micron.
     
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    Since all you have is lies, no I am not going to deny you your lies.
     
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    apexofpurple Well-Known Member

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    Well then would you kindly explain something to me, something that has puzzled me for many years. Why do progressives cry out for a thing, demand a thing, protest for a thing, campaign on a thing, fund-raise on a thing, and vote on a thing, but then once they're confronted with said thing it becomes a "lie"? I have seen people on the left do this whenever someone repeats their own agenda back to them and it perplexes the hell out of me. Its like they don't want to be branded with these terrible ideas yet they're the ones coming up with and pushing them.
     
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    You want crawl through your crazy a step at a time.

    Cute.
     
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    Kokomojojo Well-Known Member

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    Yeh you are screwed mask or not! High PIA investment little reward.
     
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    cough into a hanky, breathing does not project it 10-12 feet, your imagination is running away with you.

    However walking even with a face diaper leaves a nice trail for the person behind you to suck in.
     
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    Kokomojojo Well-Known Member

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    it takes a while for the foolishness to connect with the brain, embarrassment and ego takes over
     
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    Thrn it should be reflected in incidence of disease, which it is not
     
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    It is.
     
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    Oh goody, you're about to finally show that study based on strong scientific evidence, demonstrating reduced incidence of disease with masks.
    Can't wait.
     
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    You are perfectly capable of having your city, county or state pass such a law and enforce it. It's not for a President of the federal government. There is no such authority. And go back and read the OP and supporting post. Mask do not stop a virus and as the experts said early on they can make it worse because viruses can be on the surface and the person touches it to adjust it or as when they come out the store they reach up and touch it and then touch their face or rub their eyes if their eyes have already had the virus land there. Why aren't eye goggles mandated and required or face shields since a virus can enter there just as easy as the nose of mouth?
     
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    If it applied to somewhere other than a public road. If I drive on my property or other private property I don't have to wear one or have liability insurance or even a license.
     
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    False argument, it's the amount of improvement what additional protection else we would ALL be guaranteed at home and not allowed to go outside. And speaking of outside, from the OP link

    "On even shakier scientific ground is the promotion of mask use outdoors. One contact-tracing study identified only a single incident of outdoor transmission among 318 outbreaks. Even the Rose Garden nomination ceremony for Justice Amy Coney Barrett, which the media giddily labeled a “superspreader” event, likely wasn’t; transmission more likely occurred during indoor gatherings associated with the ceremony."
     
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    We passed that a long time ago when we showed masks can block 0.1 micron particles.
     
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    I think the protests proved that outside is much better, but that is the same principal. Less is better.
     
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    I don't know a whole lot of people that still work, but most of those work from home except the landscaper. :)
     
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    laws requiring the manufacturer to put them in? NO
    laws requiring me to wear it? YES
     
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    Cloth and disposable surgical (aka medical) masks cannot stop the 1 micron aerosols.


    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7426537/
     
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    You kind of cut that off early didn't you? You are done here.

    However, other studies on the effectiveness of the surgical masks and N95 masks (section 2.2.1) have been revealed that there is no significant difference between the surgical masks and N95 masks. Though the statistical methods were sufficiently comprehensive to provide moderate influence sizes [25,26]. In general, it is claimed that the lack of sufficient literature that can support the effectiveness of the surgical masks in reducing the risk of the infection [25,27].

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    Surgeons don’t use N95 masks. And please read what you posted. There is a lack of sufficient literature.....

    If you want to wear a mask go ahead but behave as if you did not have one on. The mask is not protecting you or anyone else around you.
     
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    crap, there must be tons of studies demonstrating reduction of incidence of disease then. Can't wait for you to share them.
     
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    Its a questionable grey area no doubt. My guess is that they'd lean on the commerce clause because a case could easily be made that controlling outbreaks is essential to regulating interstate commerce; a power afforded to the federal government. Additionally, the Public Health Service Act provides the executive branch with various provisions that could be adapted into mask mandates. And aside from that Congress controls the money and they could easily withhold funds to states that refuse to either enact mandates on their own, or submit to a federal mandate, and so on.

    And I've read the anti-mask pseudo-science, its been around for a good long while now and its been debunked 1000 ways from Sunday.
     
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