Why Masks are Ineffective, Unnecessary, and Harmful

Discussion in 'Coronavirus (COVID-19) News' started by Kokomojojo, Oct 27, 2020.

PF does not allow misinformation. However, please note that posts could occasionally contain content in violation of our policies prior to our staff intervening. We urge you to seek reliable alternate sources to verify information you read in this forum.

  1. Kokomojojo

    Kokomojojo Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Nov 14, 2009
    Messages:
    23,726
    Likes Received:
    1,790
    Trophy Points:
    113
    great then explain why public events had to be locked down if they are as effective as you want us to believe you think they are? If they really work then these officials and their offices need to be sued for ruining the american economy with lockdowns when we only needed to wear masks and life could continue without lockdowns.

    citations please.
     
    Last edited: Nov 1, 2020
    Jarlaxle likes this.
  2. ronv

    ronv Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Feb 5, 2018
    Messages:
    20,312
    Likes Received:
    8,774
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    That's because it's intuitively obvious to the most casual observer.
    I guess you think doctors wear them because they like the look.
    [​IMG]
     
    fiddlerdave likes this.
  3. AFM

    AFM Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Dec 15, 2014
    Messages:
    36,425
    Likes Received:
    8,812
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Where is your proof that masks protect and prevent?

    You are claiming that those who understand the science that confirms masks do not protect and prevent are anti mask. Where a mask if you must but act like you are not wearing one.
     
  4. Kokomojojo

    Kokomojojo Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Nov 14, 2009
    Messages:
    23,726
    Likes Received:
    1,790
    Trophy Points:
    113
    wow look how poorly they fit! leaking all over the place!
     
    AFM likes this.
  5. AFM

    AFM Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Dec 15, 2014
    Messages:
    36,425
    Likes Received:
    8,812
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Doctors and nurses do not operate if they have viral infections. Masks are used to protect them from splashes during the operations.
     
    Eleuthera and Jarlaxle like this.
  6. squidward

    squidward Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jan 23, 2009
    Messages:
    37,112
    Likes Received:
    9,515
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Yet can't demonstrate reduced incidence of disease.
     
    Last edited: Nov 1, 2020
  7. squidward

    squidward Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jan 23, 2009
    Messages:
    37,112
    Likes Received:
    9,515
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Intuitively obvious is not science my friend.
    Thanks for the laugh
     
    Eleuthera and AFM like this.
  8. Eleuthera

    Eleuthera Well-Known Member Donor

    Joined:
    Jun 13, 2015
    Messages:
    22,801
    Likes Received:
    11,808
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Such a strong stand for science you make! :banana:

    It's intuitively obvious. You and Kamala. :roflol:
     
    squidward and AFM like this.
  9. kreo

    kreo Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jun 1, 2008
    Messages:
    8,791
    Likes Received:
    798
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    Masks are effective to protect medical personnel from spreading bacteria.
    Masks do not help to protect spreading common cold viruses, those viruses are very small.
    Because they are so small they penetrate easily through the mask layers and appear on the surface of the masks.
    As a result an infected person contaminates everything around him constantly blowing viruses into the air.
     
    Last edited: Nov 1, 2020
    Eleuthera and AFM like this.
  10. AFM

    AFM Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Dec 15, 2014
    Messages:
    36,425
    Likes Received:
    8,812
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Yes. They also protect medical personnel from breathing in bacteria but they will not stop viruses. Case in point - medical personnel who treat Ebola virus infected patients.
     
    Last edited: Nov 1, 2020
  11. Bluesguy

    Bluesguy Well-Known Member Donor

    Joined:
    Jun 13, 2010
    Messages:
    154,042
    Likes Received:
    39,232
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    No it's not the President has no authority to order YOU to wear a mask. Go tell your local and state officials to do it and are you insisting face shields or goggles be mandated too? As far as interstate commerce he can order them on buses and airplanes and trains if at all.

    "....Claims that low mask compliance is responsible for rising case counts are also not supported by Gallup data, which show that the percentage of Americans reporting wearing masks has been high and relatively stable since June. Health officials and political leaders have assigned mask mandates a gravity unsupported by empirical research. "
     
    AFM likes this.
  12. zalekbloom

    zalekbloom Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Feb 27, 2016
    Messages:
    3,614
    Likes Received:
    2,728
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    This is the same anti-vaccine doctor from Oklahoma?

    https://www.skepticalraptor.com/ske...im-meehan-anti-vaccine-rant-examining-claims/
     
    fiddlerdave likes this.
  13. AFM

    AFM Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Dec 15, 2014
    Messages:
    36,425
    Likes Received:
    8,812
    Trophy Points:
    113
  14. fiddlerdave

    fiddlerdave Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Sep 9, 2010
    Messages:
    19,083
    Likes Received:
    2,706
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Incorect.

    Certainly a individual virus particle can get thru a cloth mask and, to a lesser degree, from a N95 mask, although these barriers still can still impede transmission to or from a people or surroundings.

    But the far most effective use of masks (or distance or shields) is to far more to block the carriers of virus and bacteria as well as fungus particals, irritants, pollen, solvents etc.

    None of it is 100% protective, but preventing 9 out of 10 or more of these particles is effective. A cloth mask with no micro filtering may only reduce virus and bacteria 10%, although that is better than nothing.

    However, by wearing a mask, the larger (yet possibly still microscopic in size) blocks the larger blobs of spittle or other liquids that are routinely emitted by people talking, laughing, sneezing, splashing from toilets or washing hands, and much more.

    These virus projectiles are very effective for transmissive of infection because even the smallest spittle will hold millions of virus particles and neatly provide a moist carrier, usually pre-warmed medium of nutrition to enhance survivability of the infectious organisms or DNA or RNA!

    The very idea that minimizing the transmission of these packages of illness or infection with $1 barriers is "bad" is simply crazy.
     
  15. zalekbloom

    zalekbloom Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Feb 27, 2016
    Messages:
    3,614
    Likes Received:
    2,728
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    You are right, the should be a link and not a picture of his post. I tried too look for this post of FB, there are thousands of posts. I don't have time to look for quoted post, but for sure he oppose vaccination.

    https://www.facebook.com/docmeehan
     
  16. Eleuthera

    Eleuthera Well-Known Member Donor

    Joined:
    Jun 13, 2015
    Messages:
    22,801
    Likes Received:
    11,808
    Trophy Points:
    113
    That common knowledge has been posted here many times. That some people just "don't get it" speaks to willful ignorance on their part.

    Thanks for saying it again.
     
    kreo likes this.
  17. Turin

    Turin Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Apr 17, 2012
    Messages:
    5,716
    Likes Received:
    1,874
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male


    Have you seen a Trump rally? No one wears masks. They are super spreader events. Irresponsible by both the man in charge, and the people who have no regard for others safety.
     
  18. AFM

    AFM Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Dec 15, 2014
    Messages:
    36,425
    Likes Received:
    8,812
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Aerosol particles containing viruses from normal breathing go right through medical and cloth masks not to mention leakage around the edges. See the data upthread. If you wear a mask and believe they offer protection please behave as if you didn’t have one on. They do not protect and attenuate the spread.
     
  19. AFM

    AFM Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Dec 15, 2014
    Messages:
    36,425
    Likes Received:
    8,812
    Trophy Points:
    113
    He appears to have reservations about certain types of vaccinations. His concerns are science based. What has he said in his discussion that is incorrect? There is nothing wrong with that and his informed opinion which is at odds with others does not automatically negate all his fact based opinions.
     
  20. Kokomojojo

    Kokomojojo Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Nov 14, 2009
    Messages:
    23,726
    Likes Received:
    1,790
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Why would you care if your mask actually worked and you wore it?
     
    gfm7175 and AFM like this.
  21. AFM

    AFM Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Dec 15, 2014
    Messages:
    36,425
    Likes Received:
    8,812
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Plus Covid-19 has already spread. In India seroprevalence surveys show that the actual infections (and recovery with antibodies) is ~25X the confirmed positive tests. That would translate into ~ 100 million in the US.
     
  22. fiddlerdave

    fiddlerdave Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Sep 9, 2010
    Messages:
    19,083
    Likes Received:
    2,706
    Trophy Points:
    113
    The unending rhetoric that "masks are ineffective" is just wrong. Even a cloth mask made of tightly woven fibers "trap droplets that are released when the wearer talks, coughs or sneezes. Asking everyone to wear cloth masks can help reduce the spread of the virus by people who have COVID-19 but don't realize it." (Mayo Clinic)

    Indeed, it is good to behave in ways to minimize exposure and keeping some distance and touching faces etc. but its a numbers game - the less exposure, the better! This is true for most communical diseases. Flu, colds and other diseases are no joke either.
     
    ronv likes this.
  23. AFM

    AFM Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Dec 15, 2014
    Messages:
    36,425
    Likes Received:
    8,812
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Cloth and medical masks do not filter out aerosols. They don’t protect and they don’t stop the spread. When wearing them act accordingly per that information.
     
  24. apexofpurple

    apexofpurple Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Oct 6, 2018
    Messages:
    5,552
    Likes Received:
    7,641
    Trophy Points:
    113
    You don't remember? Shutdowns were needed because hospitals were so overwhelmed that in most places people were lucky if they could share a ventilator, others couldn't even get a ICU bed much less the therapeutic equipment necessary to keep them alive, and in a number of places the corpses of the deceased had to be stored in refrigerator trailers that previously hauled food because local facilities simply couldn't keep up. It was easier to flip a switch and order shutdowns than it was to convince the public to mask up - and remember at this point in time there were no masks of any kind to be had.

    From there on it has been an uphill battle to get people to wear any kind of face covering, let along a proper one, let alone wear it right, to say nothing of every other form of social distancing. Hell, Koko, we couldn't even get most of our citizens to follow one-way signs in supermarkets. If all Americans had been resolved to doing this right from day one we'd not have needed shutdowns. But thanks to political driven belligerence, ignorance, and fake news, we're coming up on a year with COVID and we still cant get our **** together. Some areas need lockdowns and quarantines, Florida for example, but with the people in charge its not likely to happen. So we'll gamble more lives, and lose many in the process, because most Americas are so used to being selfish degenerates that they believe to their core that defying a public health emergency is some badge of "muh rights" honor.

    But I'll tell you what, friend, nothing escapes The Lord's eye and our handling of COVID with respects to our duty to serve each other's interests is absolutely no exception. We WILL be judged.
     
    fiddlerdave likes this.
  25. apexofpurple

    apexofpurple Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Oct 6, 2018
    Messages:
    5,552
    Likes Received:
    7,641
    Trophy Points:
    113
    If we a President Biden who follows through with the left's intentions for stacking our Supreme Court then I'd be most surprised to find his authority in that area lacking.
     

Share This Page