Why Obama...

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  1. DBM aka FDS

    DBM aka FDS Well-Known Member

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    I was in a post and was wondering... People say that Obama disrespects the Constitution and also the American People. He lost respect for what he's done...

    So, I am confused, because he has done a WONDERFUL job in my life and I can say exactly what he did.

    1. I am still employed. If Mitt comes in - we Federal Employees lose everything - our house, livelihood, car (if your making payments), everything... The market is horrible, and we are mostly specified for what we do. What am I, a biologist going to do on the outside? A Forest Ranger?

    2. My daughters boyfriend has cried because of Mitt Romney's plan to rid Obamacare. He is able to go outside and be with her finally. His family was unable to afford insurance - she was going to die and Obamacare saved her life. Now, she will die regardless, but at least they are helping her... He's able to be 17 instead of waiting on his mother all day and all night... Waking up to her screaming his name - they have a caretaker now with some bell/walkie/intercom system as she described it to me last night at Chinese food.

    So, I have reasons that I "like" Obama, now what has he done in your own life that has made him lose your respect...? Because I really see no change in the past 12 years outside of my job being secure and a 17 year old boy being freed from being a doctor to his mother...

    So what are YOUR reasons...
     
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    Ex-lib Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    My reasons:

    I don't think that he appreciates the America that most of us do.
    He seems to be slippery and very dishonest.
     
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    I could say that about Romney- because lots of people do think that about him. But frankly I don't.

    Like the OP, I am doing better now than when Obama was elected. I have family members who will be able to get insurance because of Obamacare. I am pleased about how our policy on dealing with terrorists has been focused under his administration. I disagree with many things, but I disagree with Romney on more.
     
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    darckriver New Member Past Donor

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    Not to worry. It's much more difficult to undo bureaucracy than to create it in the first place. I'm pretty certain most that are on the dole now will stay that way regardless of who wins.
     
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    DonGlock26 New Member Past Donor

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    And, an Obamanomics-caused laid-off fire fighter or teacher is worth less than you?

    You really can't be a biologist off the federal teat? Why can the federal gov't do without you? Because if they can do without you; you should be laid off. The gov't is broke.

    If you are needed, perhaps by cutting social spending, we can save your job. Obama will lay you off first.
     
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    Do like every other non-government worker and go find a job. You think the government is the only ones who hire biologists? I happen to have a friend who served in the Air Force with me got out after a number of years and she is working as a biologist for a private company and doing well.

    I am still employed, for a private company in spite of obama. In fact, I have been continuously employed my entire life from the age of 14. I spent 24 years in the military (honorably retired now, thank you), but I had part-time jobs along the way when I wanted or needed the extra income. I also managed to go to school while on active duty and get a degree. No, it wasn't college heaven, no Harvard, no frat parties or the like. It was mostly night school, or breaks between semesters due to duty commitments, like Iraq or Afghanistan, but I did it. I did this while helping raise a family with a wife and two kids. I also did not wait until the day I retired to start worrying about a future job. Result, I have a decent job in the career field I want.

    Besides, where has Mitt ever said you will be out the door or lose everything? Or is this just more extreme left wing posturing? If nothing else, you already know Mitt might get elected. You already know that it is possible your job could get cut (but that's always true for anyone, anywhere). So I guess the question is, what are you doing now with that knowledge? Are you doing anything to prepare for that possibility should it come to pass, or are you just sitting and whining about it?

    Only some of obamacare is in effect now, the rest doesn't start until 2014. I don't believe that any of the current parts in effect "give" insurance to anyone. The current portions are focused primarily on stopping insurance companies from excluding preexisting conditions or setting life time coverage limits, so exactly how has obamacare "saved" anyone here?
     
  7. Brewskier

    Brewskier Well-Known Member

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    LOL!

    "I can't get a job unless the Government gives me one! I can't compete like everyone else! Waaaaaaaaaahhhhh!"
     
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    DBM aka FDS Well-Known Member

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    Compared to which President, because couldn't you say that about ALL Presidents in our lifetime?
     
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    DBM aka FDS Well-Known Member

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    How did that happen... Aren't Fire Fighter run by the state? Isn't there a Teachers Union? Also, my friend (who works at Barlow High School) went on strike and got what they needed - he's still working so no... not worthless, because folks here do what's right!

     
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    DBM aka FDS Well-Known Member

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    Go get a job you say?
    http://www.emp.state.or.us/jobs/ind...howcounts=Y&system=WIOA&type=N&lang=E&start=1

    Thanks you for your service. I've been with the Gov't for some time and there hasn't been a Republican that hasn't tried to fire everyone....

    Obamacare is saving her life...
     
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    Zosiasmom New Member Past Donor

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    I dislike him because he set a precedence much like Lincoln's of suspending habeas corpus arbitrarily, he suspended due process rights for American citizens, tacitly approves torture, lied about the NDAA and Patriot Act...how many more reasons do you want me to put forth on his unconstitutional governance?
     
  12. Nunya D.

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    First, let me say that I do not think Obama has done well at all and, while you may be better off, most people are not. The cost of living has increased while wages have decreased. Eggs, Milk, Gas,.....everything people need to survive has increased. Granted, the President does not have DIRECT control to effect these things, however, he had INDIRECT control to keep prices down. Now to address your points:

    1. I doubt that you will lose your job with the Forest Service just because Romney is elected. I use to work for the FS and know how it works. They will put a hiring freeze on and will eliminate unfilled positions first. If your position becomes sacrificed, you will be given the opportunity to transfer to a forest where a needed position remains unfilled. Sure, you might have to move, but you will have a job. Besides, you normally have to move for promotion anyway. As a biologist, I doubt that your position would be eliminated as "-ologists" are considered essential in today's FS.

    According to Romney, the Government jobs he plans on cutting are the "fat" jobs. Jobs that are not essential enough to warrant borrowing money to finance.

    2. Your second point sounds "spun". Critical Medical care for life threatening situations have never been denied for quite awhile. I have seen multiple cases where people, with assets, but no insurance have been treated as if insurance is paying for it and the bill has been waived. While the intent of Obamacare is admirable, the method has a lot to be desired. Obamacare has and will continue to drive the price of insurance premiums up. A lot of families have a higher monthly insurance premium then their mortgage payment. That is not right.

    Obama went in the wrong direction. Insurance is not the answer. The answer is to find a way to keep medical costs down. He should have worked with the AMA to curb costs....even is the Government had to supplement medical facilities. Obama took the easy way to cater to voters like yourself instead of fighting the tough fight for the good of the people. Obamcare WILL bankrupt the middle class and will cause more people to become dependent on the Government.
     
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    Jeff is a big fan of flying robots killing people at random throughout the third world. Murder and assassination don't constitute much of a policy.
     
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    DBM aka FDS Well-Known Member

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    As you can see - that isn't even biology - it's all the jobs within the Portland Metro Area (outlining cities) that have jobs within my field... Do you understand now why I said the things I did?

    We have a department here that deal exclusively with Mining Claims. You know - Gold Rush - Mining Claims Eureka type crap... Where will they work?
     
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    The mining claims will still need to be managed, therefore I doubt their positions will be eliminated.

    You make it sound like Romney plans on gutting the Federal Government overnight. He has never made that claim and nobody really expects him to.
     
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    DBM aka FDS Well-Known Member

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    RESPECT!!! (I just got to let people know that I can post to someone who I 99.9% disagree with and have intelligent conversations with)…

    First, in what administration has cost “gone down”… When has things gotten cheaper EVER!

    Second, I will lose my Job if Mitt gets in office because like every Republican, the way to cut cost is a smaller Gov’t… It’s textbook…

    Third, I can only say what my Princess told me at dinner last night. She says this is going on, I believe her. She has lied to me three times in her life, all at a young age. If there is a God, I don’t know why, but he blessed me with her!!! She’s fantastic!!!

    But, the question is what did he do to effect “your” life? What happened that he did specifically that changed what is happening with you. Cost going up is forever… I think the only President in our lifetime that at least kept it somewhat close from when they got in office to when they got out (after 8 years) was Clinton… One of the only Democrats I voted for…
     
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    DBM aka FDS Well-Known Member

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    RESPECT!!!

    No I can’t be a biologist off the Federal Teat… Three jobs within 50 miles of where I live – THREE!!! I posted the website from our employment office…
     
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    DBM aka FDS Well-Known Member

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    There are over 100,000 claims here and handled by four people.... That's ridiculous... AND when one of them (in two years) is going to retire, their job will not be replaced...
     
  20. Nunya D.

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    Yes, we disagree on some thing, but when you are serious about it, you discuss things reasonably and I respect you for that as well. However, I do not think we are really that different. I think we see close tothe same things, just from different viewpoints.

    True...however, prices seem to have gone up faster while Obama has been in office, and wages have definitely gone down. It is something that needs to be addressed soon and I have no faith in Obama that he will address anything except his golf swing or his reflection in the mirror.

    My turn. When have ANY administration gutted the Federal Government to the point where there was massive layoffs? Reagan didn't even do it. If you are a biologist, your job will be one of the last to go, as biologist are essential for the proper management of the forest. However, if there are 10 biologist doing the work of 5 biologist on your forest, then you can blame your situation on the person that over hired in the first place. If one landscaper over-fertilizes the hedges, I do not blame the landscaper that has to do the trimming.

    What has Obama done to me? Nothing. That is the problem. He has had 4 years and he has done absolutely nothing to better this country. And those things he did that he thinks will better this country will actually hurt this country in the long run.

    You brought up Clinton. I also have respect for Clinton and also voted for him on his second term. My respect for Clinton isn't so much about his policies, but it was his ability to work with Congress in order to accomplish something. Obama is too narcissistic and is unable to work with Congress. He gives the appearance that it is his way or the highway. I also do not like how he blatantly lies and exaggerates to the public....counting on them to be stupid. If you do not see it, then there is no way I can show it to you. Sure, politicians do that quite often. However, if you are going to lie to my face, at least have the decency to come up with a lie that can't be disproved with 2 minutes of research.
     
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    I handled mining claims on the Umpqua. Yes, 100,000 is a lot of claims, however, most are probably inactive and do not require much work. The Forest Service must maintain oversight of those claims, or chose to let them go unmanaged. If it is a case of not enough manpower to manage those claims, the Forest Sup will find the manpower.
     
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    If you work (maybe 'work' is a little strong) for the government, then you should be thrilled that Obama is President. He believes in an ever increasing Federal Government at the expense of liberty. So I am happy for you. But I would hope that you understand that those who of us are carrying you, your fellow employees, the regulations you and your employees create, the government, our families, our car payments, and our mortgages our backs are a little bit peeved at a President who openly opposes our efforts, who denigrates our contributions (You didn't build that.), and who has created a climate that made it extremely difficult for us to make a living.

    Supporting Obama is in your enlightened self interest, and I see nothing wrong with your position.

    Opposing Obama is in everyone else's enlighthened self interest, and I would hope you could respect that, as well.

    If you risked everything you had to create a business, and I doubt you would ever have the moxie to do that, if you ate ramen noodles for months while your business took off, if you were the last person to get a paycheck, if you typically put in 12 to 16 hours a day seven days a week for at least the first couple of years without getting paid overtime, then you would understand the antipathy towards the President, a seriously arrogant man who really knows next to nothing about business and our lives.
     
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    Nope, none of the current Obamacare parts "give" insurance to anyone.

    But they started a Pre-existing Condition Insurance Plan, implemented by the states (some better, some not so better) that allows a person to buy insurance and be immediately covered for all conditions.

    It costs me $550/mo for just me and there's about $2500 out of pocket, so nearly $10,000 per year, but I got a pacemaker that now let's me work and pay taxes. I was on my way to being in itnensive care permanently, and had already racked up $250,000 in unpaid medical bills.

    How was I so irresponsible, especially having sold insurance myself in my checkered past, to end up without health insurance? I had carried insurance all my adult life. I was working for one of my customers, mostly to get insurance coverage, when the employer suddenly one day closed his doors, bouncing checks and everything. Well, ONE thing he also failed to do was PAY THE EMPLOYEE HEALTH INSURANCE FOR MONTHS, and the policies ALSO cancels ANOTHER month retroactively, so I was without coverage for more than the 45 day period that lets you get a new policy regardless of any health issues, although for MONSTROUS prices!

    Since I had high blood pressure, and cancer as a baby, no coverage for me with ANYBODY! As I got a bit sicker. two people I knew well who were hungry to put me on the payroll at their respective companies, , were BANNED by the HR department to hire me because of my health. That's when I found out how companies, despite laws against it, screen YOU AND YOUR FAMILY for any health issues, and a majority of companies simply WILL NOT HIRE someone who might drive up their insurance rates. That is why you so rarely see any handicapped people working anymore in the USA,so many big companies simply won't hire them, even if the work is perfectly suited.

    That is why people in all the other countries are simply FLABBERGASTED at the idea of working somewhere msierable to get health coverage, or NOT hiring the handicapped, or people having an abortion because you can't pay for the birth or for the medical condition the baby is likely to have.

    Employers LOVE the idea that they can treat an employee like dirt, pay him less, skip promotions and raises, simply because that employee or a member of his family had something happen while employed there and will need insurance that the employee CANNOT BUY AT ANY PRICE if he didn't get it through the company. AThe HR term, I have been told, is "Prex Locked", for someone who has a pre-existing condition in the family that means she HAS to keep the insurance going.

    Single mothers are often in this situation and it allows the employer to saves BILLIONS on wages etc. because the mother HAS to have the insurance for a sick child.
     
  24. DBM aka FDS

    DBM aka FDS Well-Known Member

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    I left a link... Competing is all good if you are pipelined in a job... If you were a underwater welder and lived in Nebraska and said you couldn't find a job would that be whining? I think not... Something you should start doing before you post...

    I submitted the Employment Job List for a 50 mile radius around Portland for Biologist Jobs... There was three...
     
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    Maybe you should have thought about job prospects before you majored in biology? Maybe step up your game a bit to make yourself more marketable?

    Nah, that's too much work. Easier to just lay back on the public sector hammock, free from things like competition and job uncertainty that the poor suckers in the private sector have to deal with (and no pensions or guaranteed pay increases, either).
     

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