Why put the blame on the gun?

The NRA was open to regulations on the stock.

 

You can keep repeating that all you want. You're still not correct.

 

Actually, here's what the NRA said: "Despite the fact that the Obama administration approved the sale of bump fire stocks on at least two occasions, the National Rifle Association is calling on the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (BATFE) to immediately review whether these devices comply with federal law. The NRA believes that devices designed to allow semi-automatic rifles to function like fully-automatic rifles should be subject to additional regulations."

As the BATFE has already reviewed bump stocks and determined that they do not allow semi-automatic rifles to "function like fully-automatic rifles", as there still needs to be a trigger pull for each shot, they pretty much issued this statement as a political move. If the criteria is "function like fully-automatic rifles", which according to ATF rules is defined as

"Any weapon which shoots, is designed to shoot, or can be readily restored to shoot, automatically more than one shot without manual reloading, by a single function of the trigger

• The frame or receiver of any such weapon
• Any part designed and intended solely and exclusively or combination of parts designed and intended for use in converting a weapon into a machinegun, or
  
• Any combination of parts from which a machinegun can be assembled if such parts are in the possession or under the control of a person."

By this definition, the bumpstock does not make a semi-automatic rifle into a machine gun, thus the NRA knows that the ATF review would have to have the same result as before. To change the NFA 1934 to reflect the actions of bump stocks would take an act of Congress.

Currently, the NRA opposes the bump stock bills in Congress.

http://www.cnn.com/2017/10/12/politics/nra-opposes-bump-stock-bills/index.html

 

Agenda.

 

The trigger pull is being forced by recoil by a device designed to achieve this. If you can achieve it on your own good for you, its not the same.

 

Indeed - the desire for the state to have a monopoly on force.

 

According to the manufacturer of the device, and the ATF in finding the device performed in the manner described, it is to assist disabled individuals to discharge a firearm where it might otherwise not be physically possible for them to do such.

https://www.slidefire.com/downloads/BATFE.pdf

 

None of which changes anything. Even with such a device attached, the firearm still remains semi-automatic in function. One pull of the trigger, one round of ammunition discharged. That is ultimately the long and the short of the matter.

 

I told him this.
He chooses to not understand.

 

Then he will be reported for his derailment of the discussion until such time that he has been removed from the forum.

 

Meh. If you ignore the trolls, they go away.

 

If so:
There are three guys on this forum that have not gone away.

(1.) V.G.
(2.) G.
(3.) T.

 

The very reason why you're wrong is the same reason why the ATF said they had no basis to enact new regulations on "bumpfire" stocks.

 

Cranks are full legal. Why? Because the crank works the sear one time to fire one round. It works the sear incredibly fast, but it still only counts as one activation per round.
Same with a bump stock. If you are manually working the thing in such a way as to flick the semi auto trigger real fast, that's legal.
It only becomes illegal if the manual action of activating the weapon one time works to fire more than one shot. So the auto glove where you squeezed once to turn the glove on and the glove did the work rather than your finger? That would be a Machinegun
Bump stocks don't do that, neither do cranks ergo they do not create machineguns, by definition.

 

Yes

 

A trigger crank
( BATF approved device ) works the trigger, not the sear.
The current 3 round burst M-16A2 is a good example.

Anything working the sear would be considered a
Class lll device or modification and subject to all applicable 1986 laws governing full auto firearms.

 

Thanks for the correction. I'm not a gunsmith so mea culpa

 

Because people still engage them.

 

He knows.
He chooses to not understand.

 

Show us the way then.

 

Your society is ill.

 

Nope, not so.
There is a small criminal segment of society committing crimes, murders, selling illegal drugs these are the ones needing prosecution.
Leave the law abiding citizens be.

 

Killing is pretty widepread in your society and you fawn all over the military at publicly funded homages to the power of the state during sporting events while you wage multiple endless wars of occupation across the globe. Seems to be a pattern, this violence.

 

Nope.
Stick to the topic at hand.

Millions of law abiding citizens have Millions of firearms and concealed carry licenses, and harm no one.

There are a distinct minority of mafias and gangs and other assorted criminals commiting crimes and murders and selling illegal drugs and committing other miscellaneous crimes, and these comprise less than 10 % of the population yet commit 97 % of the total crimes within the borders of the U.S.
Yet gun control advocates would increase further firearms restrictions on law abiding citizens to no avail.

 

What is wide spread to you... 0.00011% (including suicides) with a population of 350 million people? I am not sure that’s how I would characterize it.