Why the House is moving forward with impeachment

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  1. StillBlue

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    US Constitution, art. 2

    Should Trump give himself a pardon it could take years before it gets sorted out as to whether he even can do that. You can bet your bottom dollar that contempt of Congress will be one of the charges and when found guilty they'll be more than happy to provide funds for his jail.
     
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    That only means that he could not pardon himself so that the impeachment is nullified.

    It does not justify rushing into impeaching him when there is a week and a half left in his administration.
     
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    Contempt of Congress is where I've been for many long years.
     
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    If your goal is simply to remove him from office then no, it makes no sense. If your goal is any of the following then it does
    To prevent him from staying in office under martial law.
    To make an example of him that no one is above the law at any time.
    To insure that he does jail time for these actions despite giving himself a pardon.
    To make sure that he can never do this again.

    I used to officiate basketball and one of the things pounded into us by our trainers until it became mantra "If it's a foul in the first minute it's a foul in the last." T**** has demonstrated that even in a strong, well established democracy such as the US a loose cannon can get loose within it and they can't be allowed to think that there will be no consequences near the end because it's moot. Justice is never moot, not on his first nor his last day in office. At this point I would put absolutely nothing within his reach.
     
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    That statement in the Constitution only means he cannot pardon an impeachment. He could still pardon himself at any time prior to being impeached and removed from office, but not for the impeachment itself.. Providing, of course, pardoning himself is Constitutional to start with. It would come down to the Supreme Court and I am not sure how they would decide.
     
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    If he pardons himself for this that and everything else then Congress impeaches him and two weeks out of office the Senate convicts, the House can jail him for up to one year on the contempt of congress. Enough time that he'll regret his actions and also give the states the time they need to bring forth their cases without his fleeing. It also, more importantly, let's future would be loose cannons know that jails can hold them as well and prevents he himself from trying again. He cannot become the new norm if Democracy is to survive.
     
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    The only new norm is the left's intent on revenge. I semi-understand why they want to punish Trump. Stupid, but I understand it. But they want o punish anyone who supported him. Everything from removing duly elected congressmen who did nothing illegal, to censoring any organization or person that showed any possible support.
     
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    I got a kick out of reading this Why should he pardon himself? I mean, if not to try to indemnify himself against his tormentors.....

    I look at it this way. The vacuum that is the absence of trump is going to have to be filled by something. Likely, it will be the number of illegal things democrats have done, are doing, and plan to do going forward. Nah... who am I kidding.... MSM are too in bed with the DNC to allow that to happen.

    When do you suppose that the break up of the tech oligarchs is going to commence??
     
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    This is what communists usually refer to as a 'purge'... The democrats have toyed with it recently. See the Obama purge of the military. Didn't get much coverage, but those Obama thought might be a threat to him sure didn't last....

    I wonder if democrats ever think about consequences of their stupidity. I mean, how hard would it be, for example, for power companies in western republican states to simply cut off the power and water to Kalifornia? Lots of possibilities here.
     
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    Oh... here's a thought: maybe because he's a criminal!
     
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    He has not been convicted of anything. Using your logic, Biden is also a criminal. Not convicted, but plenty of circumstantial evidence.
     
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    Which is why he gets a trial. House indicts, Senate convicts. An irony here is that he can pardon his son and lawyer for the parts they've played but he can't prevent another impeachment nor pardon himself when found guilty.
    Plus
     
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    He can pardon them the second Pelosi takes the papers to the senate.

    He does not need the money and he will still get the secret service protection.
     
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    Using your logic, Ted Bundy wasn't a murderer until he was convicted of murder.
     
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    He was innocent according to the law.
     
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    Hmm... that sounds a lot like the kind of thing that the left are claiming is incitement. Gosh... and here you are... Do you suppose he'll be required to pardon Joe Biden too then?
     
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    Correction...........indemnify himself against the law.
     
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    I'd just love to humiliate you if you'd like to make your case Biden needs pardoning.
     
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    You must be addressing some other poster. I never claimed that I am "the law". I'm just an informed poster. And, as any informed poster would tell you, Trump is a criminal! Furthermore, a proven criminal. The law can only establish whether or not he's a convicted criminal. And how they do that is their business... not mine.

    Happy to give you some free lessons on English 101, but next time I might have to charge.
     
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    I said that Biden is just as much a criminal according to the law as Trump. You used the Bundy example which has virtually nothing to do with anything.

    I have no idea what you are trying to say. You said "I never claimed that I am "the law"." I have no idea where that came from.

    You also said "I'm just an informed poster." I have serious doubts about that statement.
     
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    Hi haters. Trump might have orange skin but he will NEVER be in an orange jump suit
    Also very sad you guys fantasize about trump in jail
    Maybe get some hobbies or a girlfriend? If your fantasies are about donald trump. I seriously worry for you
     
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    The reason Nancy "Let Them Eat Ice Cream" Pelosi is drafting Articles is 1) she hates the man with the white hot intensity of a thousand dying suns; 2) the House will -- again -- impeach and then the Dems can call any senator who does not vote to convict a "traitor," hoping to hurt them in the next election. This is calculated political theater at its most cynical... and hilarious!
     
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    Gotta fight fire with fire, right?

    Gimme a break. Anyone who still supports this pathetic excuse for a human being needs to get...

    "Trump is an angel. It's just hatred that wants him gone."

    Really?
     
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    Needs to get what? Go ahead. Finish
     
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