Why the Iranians Hate the US Government

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  1. Scott

    Scott Well-Known Member

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    I think most people know about this now but here's the info just in case.

    https://theintercept.com/2018/02/05/iran-cia-coup-mossadegh-ayatollah/
    https://www.lobster-magazine.co.uk/articles/l30iran.htm
    https://www.google.com/search?q=ira...WvCmMBHYueCy0Q_AUoAnoECAwQBA&biw=1024&bih=677

    The bottom line is that we used to steal Iran's oil; they threw us out and got control of their oil again and American and British oil companies want to start stealing it again. We are the bad guys in his conflict.
     
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    and here are some Americans talking with sanity, knowledge and intelligence. People the US can be proud of. They discuss the US history with Iran which has brought us to this point as well as discussing the decay in US politics.

    You can ignore the first couple of minutes of Introduction.

     
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    Why the Iranians Hate the US Government

    Economic sanctions and the constant meddling in their affairs.
     
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    I was watching this when I stopped to check the thread for posts.

    Overthrow: 100 Years of U.S. Meddling & Regime Change, from Iran to Nicaragua to Hawaii to Cuba

    (2:45 time mark)


    This guy Stephen Kinzer seems to know what's going on. Thanks for posting.
     
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    Contrary to what the Trump Administration says - Soleimani was far less of a terrorist than some of our Generals and Establishment Bureaucrats and Politicians.
     
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    You’re more than welcome to denounce your American citizenship and seek residence in another country. I remember back in the day when treasonous words would get you a can of whoop a**. Stating that top US service personnel are terrorists is asinine. You need to visit a radical Islamic country for a few months to witness what terrorism really is.
     
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    I see that a dose of reality sure sent your knickers in a twist - what is the movie line "You can't handle the Truth"

    What is treason - to the founding principles - ideals - and so forth - is demonizing someone as "Anti -American" for pointing out flaws in our Gov't - borderline human garbage on the food chain in my books. So lets hope you are not guilty of that. If ya can't take the heat - get out of the kitchen ! :)

    So tell me about this mans acts of terror - and I will tell a story from the other side - and we shall see who the bigger terrorist is.
     
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    Genocide of 500,000 Muslims by murder, incinerating and barrel bombed. Don’t forget to post your source because the rest of your post is nonsensical opinion. We already had enough of that in the House Intelligence and Judiciary Committees

    JANUARY 6, 2020 10:38 AM

    Killing Soleimani Was the Moral Response to Genocide
    [​IMG]by Shmuley Boteach



    While many Iranian officials have threatened genocide, Qassem Soleimani was actually tasked with it.

    As an architect of Bashar Assad’s genocidal war against the Syrian people, he was one of the most guilty men on earth. As the Godfather of Iran’s global terror network, he was also one of the most dangerous.

    MOST IMPORTANTLY, SOLEIMANI WAS THE MAN RESPONSIBLE FOR IRAN’S OPERATIONS IN SYRIA, WHICH HE OVERSAW IN PERSON THROUGH DOZENS OF VISITS. HIS GOAL: TO KEEP ASSAD IN POWER AT ANY HUMAN COST.

    DIRECTING THOUSANDS OF IRANIAN AND HEZBOLLAH SOLDIERS “SPREAD OUT ACROSS THE ENTIRE COUNTRY,” SOLEIMANI WAS SAID BY ONE AMERICAN DEFENSE OFFICIAL IN 2013 TO HAVE BEEN “RUNNING THE WAR [IN SYRIA] HIMSELF.” IN THE END, ASSAD WOULD MAINTAIN HIS THRONE AS MORE THAN HALF A MILLION SYRIANS WERE BRUTALLY MURDERED, BARREL-BOMBED, DISAPPEARED, TORTURED, OR EVEN INCINERATED IN THE LONGEST AND LARGEST GENOCIDE OF OUR CENTURY. SOLEIMANI, MORE SO THAN PERHAPS ANY OTHER MAN ON EARTH WITH THE EXCEPTION OF ASSAD HIMSELF, DIRECTED THE OFFENSIVES THAT INCURRED THOSE SHOCKING TOLLS.
     
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    Not sure where you dug this fellow up - but much of the above is abject nonsense and/or State Sponsored Propaganda.

    Clearly you don't have the faintest clue about the war in Syria - and neither does this guy.

    The 500,000 dead in Syria was due to a global effort to arm supply and support a radical Islamist proxy army - in their "Holy Jihad" - their quest to turn Syria into a Strict Sharia Theocracy.

    Did you not get the memo ? This radical Islamist Proxy army - was led by Al Nusra/Al Qaeda and ISIS.

    Soleimoni spent the last decade fighting ISIS-Al Qaeda - out side spent 5 years of the last decade - arming and supporting these and other radical Islamist Jihadist groups - of the same ilk - fighting in the Holy War


    You can start here - I chose this first link just for you - fitting title don't you think since you think you are such a "Patriot".

    https://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/how-america-armed-terrorists-in-syria/
     
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    Your link explains the giving/sale of armament to fight a war. I post about genocide. Two totally different topics. I thought from your previous post that you wanted to compare acts of terrorism not military sales. Your link doesn’t even mention one single death
     
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    A lot of regular Syrians, with no connection to jihadists, have been systematically tortured and murdered by the Assad regime.
     
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    The most accurate and concise summary explaining who was responsible for the Syrian bloodbath is the one below by Jeffery Sachs:

     
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    The point of the article was to describe deaths - it talks about how Obama armed the radical Islamist Jihadist proxy army in Syria.

    The Genocide in Syria was cased by the arming of these Jihadists.

    "Barrel Bombs" what a joke of a term - laughed at in serious circles - Bombs of all kinds are dropped in war - the purpose of which is to kill people in many instances - the targets of those bombs being ISIS and Al Qaeda.

    You need to stop pretending you know what happened in Syria - you are regurgitating state sponsored propaganda like it has some basis in fact.

    By definition - it was the radical Islamist proxy army that was conducting genocide - on various marginalized religious groups such as Christians. They turned the cities they took over into Strict Sharia totalitarian nightmares - dark age style - rape, force marriage, executions (posted all over the internet) in various ways.

    The US led coalition did this.
     
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    I don’t care what the point of the article was. The fact is that you challenged me with
    Which is basically you saying the US is a bigger terrorist than Solemani and for me to prove otherwise. I proved that the genocide of 500,000 Syrians is a bigger act of terrorism than the giving/sale of some small arms to a jihadist group.
     
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    This is a trailer for the Iranian movie, Damascus Time, showing the face of the Quds force led by General Soleimani as seen by Iranians, in fighting the monsters and deranged figures in Daesh, aka ISIS. It is a pretty good movie and if anyone is interested, I can again try to find the full video with English subs.

    There is more truth in this movie, inspired by actual events shot on location in Syria, than the supposed factual accounts in US propaganda.
     
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    This review regarding the movie, Damascus Time, touches on a lot of issues relevant to the discussions here.
    https://www.globalresearch.ca/damascus-time-a-drama-movie-on-the-islamic-state-isis-daesh/5632018
    “Damascus Time”: A Drama Movie on the “Islamic State” (ISIS-Daesh)
    A review of the movie Damascus Time by Ebrahim Hatamikia


    The movie was praised by Iran's fallen hero, General Soleimani when it was screened.
     
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    What's that word "Quds" ? and what are they being up to these days ?
     
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    What you have not proven is that Assad was responsible for the proxy war -or that his side committed Genocide - and finally that all the 500,000 dead constitutes Genocide . 2 of the above claims are demonstrably false - and the "his side committed Genocide - not substantiated - but lets call it war crimes - Assad did not treat captured prisoners very well - of course -neither did we but that is another matter.

    It is a demonstrable fact that the Jihadists - committed genocide, war crimes, crimes against humanity against the local populations under their control.


    1) It was arming a terrorist proxy army that led to the Genocide/war crimes - Assad did not arm these radical Islamist Jihadists
    2) The genocide that was conducted by the Jihadists - was made possible due to not just "small arms" - but tens of thousands of tons of sophisticated military hardware (Howitzers, Rockets, Tanks, Supplies, Logistical Support) - including really sophisticated stuff like TOW missiles and shoulder launched surface

    A rag tag band of Jihadists with small arms can not fight for 5 years don't fight a Nation State with small arms.

    A description of one shipment is given in the previous link.
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    The above is a Howitzer - a rag tag band of Jihadists does not smuggle 400 those across numerous borders in their backpacks.

    This was a concerted effort among numerous nation state to arm this proxy army - an army who then went out and committed Genocide - Crimes against humanity - against civilian populations. Crimes not related to the actual fighting.

    You have way to many demonstrably false premises that need to be corrected. Guilt for the 500,000 dead in this war - many of these were soldiers on both sides (not Genocide) - many civilians who died as a result of getting caught in the crossfire (not Genocide)

    Assad did not target specific ethnic communities for their skin color - He targeted the radical Islamist Jihadists that were trying to take over the nation through military force - and turn it into a Strict Sharia Theocracy.

    We often kill civilians - as does Israel - as a function of targeting "radical Islamist Jihadists" - This is not "Genocide" - although in some cases it is a war crime.

    The 500,000 dead - was caused by a global coalition to arm a proxy army in a sovereign nation. Full Stop.
     
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    Oh really? Not only rag tag with small arms but on horseback nonetheless. The Soviet–Afghan War lasted over nine years, from December 1979 to February 1989. Insurgent groups known collectively as the mujahideen, as well as smaller Maoist groups, fought a guerrilla war against the Soviet Army.
     
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    Tell that to all the parents of dead soldiers and all the kids that lost limbs due to him.
     
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    We are talking about the war in Syria. Is your mind going into avoidance mode - unable to handle the information presented ?

    Stay with me now - "snap snap" .. We are discussing how the US led a global coalition of nations in an effort to create a viable proxy army - capable of taking on a nation state - and how this action led to the death of 500,000, war crimes - genocide - and crimes against humanity.

    This was a far greater act of Terrorism than anything Soleimani did - in fact - it was Soleimani that was fighting this terrorist army for much of the last decade.
     
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    If some can not handle the truth - this is unfortunate. Many of these parents - unlike you - have taken the time to learn about these issues - and have figured out that it was our leaders who sent their children into harms way - for no good reason - and on the basis of lies, propaganda and false narrative.
     
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    It appears the democrats new best friends are terrorists.
     
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    Both sides - get your head out of myopia land. A better way to state the issue would be "It appears that the Establishment's new best friends are terrorists"
     

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