Why the Russians wanted Trump to be President ?

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  1. Idahojunebug77

    Idahojunebug77 Well-Known Member

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    Hillary Clinton, nothing more needs to be said, but ill say it anyways.

    The Clinton's and Russia/Putin have been fueding for years, President Clinton denied russia entry in joining NATO, Hillary Clinton interfered in Russia's elections when she was secretary of state . Hillary Clinton is from the Cold War Era, all she knows is russia must be isolated.

    Of course Putin preferred Trump over Clinton, Putin would have preferred anyone other than Clinton.
     
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    Why would Puytin support the Trump election when he had the perfect dupe with Hillary.
    I know you find this painful to think about - but the Democrats lost the election due to gross incompetence without any help from Putin.
    The Democrats concocted a story blaming the Russians because they didn't want to admit their overwhelming incompetence - yet there is no proof and there have been no defendants against these scurilous claims. Hell, Muellers wife could indict Russian spies fo forgetting to change the babies diapers - who's to say it isn't true.

    It was gross incompetence on the part of the Democrats who ran the DNC - that they ignored and neglected security protocals such as good passwords - consider using the word "password" as the password - which several senior Democrats were found to be doing. Anyone could have accessed the DNC computers at any time - of course, the fake news and their gullible followers will eat any crap the Democrats feed them.
     
  3. Arkanis

    Arkanis Well-Known Member

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    Good, we're making progress.

    And why has it become acceptable for the right to fraternize with a country with which US has absolutely no common interest?
     
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    Vet1966 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I would consider the joint attacks against ISIS to be a common interest.
    I would consider sharing intelligence vis a vis terrorist actions that might affect one nation or the other as common interest.
    I would consider it an act of pragmatism on the part of any rational leader to recognize and atke advantage of common interests.
    Hillary was a self centered dweeb, incapable of managing to change a roll of toilet paper without help. She had ZERO noteworthy personal accomplishments in all of her life. This is what the Democrat Party gave us - Hillary and Bernie - I'm not sure if that's a step up from Pelosi and Schumer.
     
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    Arkanis Well-Known Member

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    Yet the Conservatives keep telling that Obama and Clinton were soft on Russia.
     
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    Logical except for one important ill-logical fact - Putin hates Hillary with the intensity of a solar flare. If Putin could rain on Hillarys parade while undermining America, what fun. Putin cares as much about Trump as the stuff on the bottom of his shoe. Now that Trump is in, however, it's Oh boy am I gonna play this guy.
     
  7. Arkanis

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    It was done under Obama.

    And yet Obama hated Putin.

    Since when has it become acceptable to GOP members to make connections with him when he's putting a lot of effort into harming the US internationally?
     
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    Easy question. To sow domestic discord and to weaken NATO and Western alliances.
     
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    Why doesn't the Liberals tell us? They seem to have Trump and Russia all figured out.
     
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    Except for the fact all this occoured before Trump was elected and hillary was a shoe in for prez.
     
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    Russia has been interfering in elections for years. Not only ours but many other countries. We have interfered in other country's election also. I don't know why people now think this is something new.
     
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    Do not deflect from the issue. You asked. We answered. Long before this thread in fact. The answer to your question is that the Russians would have preferred a wet noddle to Hillary Clinton. That’s it. That her opponent happened to be Donald trump is completely irrelevant to the Russians or to the discussion. Hillary=bad. That’s it. Nothing more. Your master lost. Get over it.
     
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    Hated Putin? Obama literally gave him an over the pants handjob in public. Obama single handily turned Russia from an irrelevant player into a global power on par with the US. Obama did so intentionally. The hell you talking about?
     
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    You gotta love how Leftist were so void of intelligence they actually voted #electhillary! I mean really?
     
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    Which doesn't answer the OP's question ... why? Putin targeted the DNC ... or at least the DNC became a casualty when Putin went after Crooked Hillary. So why did Putin try to scuttle Hillary's campaign? Victoria Nuland knows exactly why. Has the grand inquisitor, Bob Mueller asked her?
     
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    Many on the left are still catching up :)
     
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    Here is your answer.

    Spy chief: Clinton's Syria plan could spark conflict with Russia | TheHill
    thehill.com/.../302713-spy-leader-clintons-syria-plan-could-lead-to-confrontation-wit...
    Oct 25, 2016 - "I wouldn't put it past them to shoot down an American aircraft," James ... at risk, Director of National Intelligence James Clapper said. ... “I think a no-fly zone could save lives and could hasten the end of the ... in Syria “would require us to go to war against Syria and Russia. .... Sign up for our daily email.


    The Kremlin Really Believes That Hillary Wants to Start a War With ...
    https://foreignpolicy.com/.../the-kremlin-really-believes-that-hillary-clinton-will-start-...
    Sep 7, 2016 - If Hillary Clinton is elected president, the world will remember Aug. ... more importantly, it set up Putin as the representative of an ideology ... That's because, while there may be differences over, say, the fate of Donetsk, there is no longer a ... Given the ongoing Russian operations, a “no-fly zone” is a polite ...


    Trump: Clinton's foreign policy plan would start WW3 - BBC News
    https://www.bbc.com/news/election-us-2016-37766786
    Oct 26, 2016 - Mrs Clinton has proposed a no-fly zone over Syria. The top US ... "You're going to end up in World War Three over Syria if we listen to Hillary Clinton," Mr Trump said. "You're not ... He also suggested Mrs Clinton would be unable to talk with Russian President Vladimir Putin after her sharp criticism of him.
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    So how do you describe Trump's attitude with Putin?
     
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    The scope of it here in the us is brand new. Not sure why you think it isn't, really.
     
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    If your trying to work some angle here it’s already failed more miserably then you sad alt leftist brain can fathom. I absolutely despise any notion of being friendly towards Russia. Russia is and for the foreseeable future shall remain the greatest enemy the US has ever known. It is my belief that our destinies must inevitably end with one destroying the other. I advocate we should strike sooner rather then later. So if your pathetic goal here is to try and make me sound or look like some Russian sympathizer or something don’t ****ing bother.
     
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    What makes you think that?
     
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    The concerted social media effort was new in both nature and degree. Them hacking one party amd releasing emails to favor the other is new in nature and degree. I could keep going, but I feel like I am spoon-feeding basic facts to you that you should already possess before even attempting to discuss this topic.
     
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    Putin was stuck between a rock and hard place.

    What Putin really wanted was for Barack Obama to become President for life so Putin could keep getting everything he wanted from America with not having to give up anything in exchange.

    Where Hillary ****ed up was meddling in Russia's elections and that kinda pissed off Putin.
    In revenge, Putin meddled in America's election.

    I know who Communist China wanted to become President, Hillary Clinton.

    So did Islamist Jihadist including Al Qaeda, ISIS and the Muslim Brotherhood.

    Pretty sure MS-13 was supporting Hillary

    During the past 24 years no other foreign government has poured more money into the DNC and the Clinton's campaigns than China.
    Remember Chinagate ?

    But leftist have never been able to figure it out.
     
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    It's always been going on, only this time stronger and if you look at my post number 43 I think you'll see why.
     
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    So in your opinion a few trolls posting low effort memes on Facebook is some major thing unlike and more serious anything Russia has ever done in the past? Because you know that’s stupid right?
     
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