Why there is no men rights folder?

Discussion in 'Civil Rights' started by hermilion, Mar 22, 2017.

  1. perdidochas

    perdidochas Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jul 24, 2008
    Messages:
    27,293
    Likes Received:
    4,346
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    It's not a government-mandated benefit. It's part of a dissolution of a contract. Most contracts can be dissolved, for a price. Alimony is sometimes the price.
     
  2. Polydectes

    Polydectes Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jun 21, 2010
    Messages:
    53,602
    Likes Received:
    18,196
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    Yes they did. The dark ages as the Islamic empire slayed people from Russia to Spain, they enslaved the people they conquered, they happened to be white in that area
     
  3. GrumpyCatFace

    GrumpyCatFace Active Member

    Joined:
    Mar 24, 2017
    Messages:
    220
    Likes Received:
    63
    Trophy Points:
    28
    Gender:
    Male
    Is there a profit-sharing clause in this fictional 'marriage-contract'? I don't recall seeing one on the marriage license application..

    Also, exactly how much is one considered 'paid' for sitting at home and taking care of their children, while a partner shleps his ass to work every morning?
     
  4. Polydectes

    Polydectes Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jun 21, 2010
    Messages:
    53,602
    Likes Received:
    18,196
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    In alimony states it is most certainly a government mandate.
     
  5. GrumpyCatFace

    GrumpyCatFace Active Member

    Joined:
    Mar 24, 2017
    Messages:
    220
    Likes Received:
    63
    Trophy Points:
    28
    Gender:
    Male
    Fine, but don't pretend that it has some legitimacy in the marriage contract itself. You don't negotiate terms AFTER ending a business deal.
     
  6. Bridget

    Bridget Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Feb 26, 2017
    Messages:
    2,247
    Likes Received:
    1,712
    Trophy Points:
    113
    I am female. I have the same rights as any man. I find special "women's" days demeaning, like I am some kind of victim. We fought, we won, now time to give up the march. I listened to Hilary Clinton all last year promising to get stuff for women that we already had. She must have thought we were pretty stupid.
     
    GrumpyCatFace likes this.
  7. Bridget

    Bridget Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Feb 26, 2017
    Messages:
    2,247
    Likes Received:
    1,712
    Trophy Points:
    113
    I also consider the alimony in case of one spouse working and the other spouse not working a personal matter. That is the stay-at-home spouse's choice. Many years ago, it wasn't a choice, now it is.
     
    GrumpyCatFace likes this.
  8. Polydectes

    Polydectes Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jun 21, 2010
    Messages:
    53,602
    Likes Received:
    18,196
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    It isn't up for negotiations. It's compulsory. It isn't part of the contract is a penalty levied against you by the state.
     
    Last edited: Apr 24, 2017
    GrumpyCatFace likes this.
  9. perdidochas

    perdidochas Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jul 24, 2008
    Messages:
    27,293
    Likes Received:
    4,346
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    It's not a benefit. It's a government mandated way to make the termination of a contract fair.
     
  10. Polydectes

    Polydectes Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jun 21, 2010
    Messages:
    53,602
    Likes Received:
    18,196
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    No it isn't it's punitive. It may have been necessary back when women couldn't work. But today they can.
     
    Jarlaxle likes this.
  11. robini123

    robini123 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    May 8, 2004
    Messages:
    13,701
    Likes Received:
    1,581
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    What rights do women have that men do not?
     
  12. Polydectes

    Polydectes Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jun 21, 2010
    Messages:
    53,602
    Likes Received:
    18,196
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    Parental rights.
     
  13. robini123

    robini123 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    May 8, 2004
    Messages:
    13,701
    Likes Received:
    1,581
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    How so? Source citation?
     
  14. GrumpyCatFace

    GrumpyCatFace Active Member

    Joined:
    Mar 24, 2017
    Messages:
    220
    Likes Received:
    63
    Trophy Points:
    28
    Gender:
    Male
    About 80-90% of custody battles.
     
    Jarlaxle likes this.
  15. Polydectes

    Polydectes Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jun 21, 2010
    Messages:
    53,602
    Likes Received:
    18,196
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    If a man doesn't want his baby aborted or does, does he have that right?
     
  16. Jimmy79

    Jimmy79 Banned

    Joined:
    Nov 28, 2014
    Messages:
    9,366
    Likes Received:
    5,074
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Not quite true. Free blacks in the south also had slaves, some of them white.
     
  17. VietVet

    VietVet Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Feb 27, 2017
    Messages:
    4,198
    Likes Received:
    4,859
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    I never heard of that - reference, please.
    The part about White slaves/black masters.
     
    Last edited: Apr 24, 2017
  18. GrumpyCatFace

    GrumpyCatFace Active Member

    Joined:
    Mar 24, 2017
    Messages:
    220
    Likes Received:
    63
    Trophy Points:
    28
    Gender:
    Male
  19. Jimmy79

    Jimmy79 Banned

    Joined:
    Nov 28, 2014
    Messages:
    9,366
    Likes Received:
    5,074
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Rare and mostly prior to American independence. Grumpy is correct though that it was officially indentured servitude, but because of the way service could be extended for any reason, it was in fact, slavery. Having a child while indentured in many cases resulted in the child also be forced into service.

    http://www.ironbarkresources.com/slaves/whiteslaves09.htm
     
  20. VietVet

    VietVet Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Feb 27, 2017
    Messages:
    4,198
    Likes Received:
    4,859
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    Still, rare as hen's teeth.
    I stand by my earlier statements.
    A couple of rare exceptions does not negate the norm.
     
  21. GrumpyCatFace

    GrumpyCatFace Active Member

    Joined:
    Mar 24, 2017
    Messages:
    220
    Likes Received:
    63
    Trophy Points:
    28
    Gender:
    Male
    Mmmmkay.
     
    Last edited: Apr 25, 2017
  22. VietVet

    VietVet Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Feb 27, 2017
    Messages:
    4,198
    Likes Received:
    4,859
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male

    Still, rare as hen's teeth.
    I stand by my earlier statements.
    A couple of rare exceptions does not negate the norm.

    Between one-half and two-thirds of white immigrants to the American colonies
    between the 1630s and American Revolution had come under indentures.
    The point was Free blacks owning white slaves. - THAT was EXTREMELY rare.
    The thread is about men's rights- women were also indentured.
     
    Last edited: Apr 25, 2017
  23. robini123

    robini123 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    May 8, 2004
    Messages:
    13,701
    Likes Received:
    1,581
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male

    Source citation needed for the above claim.
     
  24. robini123

    robini123 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    May 8, 2004
    Messages:
    13,701
    Likes Received:
    1,581
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    I do not know as I have never been that situation. So you tell me and please provide source citation that backs your claim.
     
  25. Polydectes

    Polydectes Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jun 21, 2010
    Messages:
    53,602
    Likes Received:
    18,196
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    Last edited: Apr 25, 2017

Share This Page