Why we support Ukraine instead of Russia?

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  1. Ostap Bender

    Ostap Bender Well-Known Member

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    Are we stupid enough?Do we need Ukraine for what?The state has failed economy, run by Benderites , Russian language is banned, corruption sky high, well-educated folks already leaved or heading destination EU or Russia.
    Crimea was always Russian area and interesting me a sh...!
     
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    Eleuthera Well-Known Member Donor

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    We have been conditioned to fear and hate the Russians. Further, certain elements in the US government want to harass Russia. Overthrowing a legitimate pro-Russian government in Ukraine is one way to do that.
     
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    zoom_copter66 Well-Known Member

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    Lol, only from a pzdek, this post must be, uhhhh, No one leaving Russia to look for "brighter future", how's sanctions going for you? How many russkis live below poverty line, or have adequate plumbing, I'm not talking about moscow &Pete, outlying areas, and its an iceberg 8 mos of the year depending on location, like Sochi maybe. What is it, 100 oligarchs or so run Russia, Putinka and his closest buddies,lol. Last I checked nobody from EU immigrating to russia, that's like stepping from 21 century to 18 century, no corruption in Russia? Only in Ukraine,LOL, what's the koolaid you're sipping?
     
  4. MrFirst

    MrFirst Banned Past Donor

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    It's not going in any way, actually.
    According to Federal Migration Service, 2.300.000 Ukrainian citizens were in Russia on March 2017.
    And also according to Russian Foreign Ministry, 170.000 Ukrainians were given Russian citizenship in 2014-2016.
     
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    Russian language was born in Ukraine. The Ukrainian people have a right to speak Russian. Right? Please, regards.
     
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    moreover, why do States support the territorial integrity of Ukraine ? dividing it , it is more efficient,
    if you want to have all the new countries in former Ukraine as satellites
     
  7. zoom_copter66

    zoom_copter66 Well-Known Member

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    Seems it's being advertised for adoption now in several republics! Some don't seem to like the language of oppressors!
     
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    How are they oppressors?
     
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    zoom_copter66 Well-Known Member

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    Lol, silly question, as Soviet regime deported, starved or outright killed the local inhabitants , they moved in ethnic Russians, just like Baltics, Ukraine, etc, oppressing enough?
     
  10. JakeJ

    JakeJ Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Because trillions of dollars, tens of thousands of insider jobs, and the power to spy on everyone and dictate foreign policy is all based upon continuing the 70+ year long Cold War against the 3 decades extinct Soviet Union. Our country has gone massively into debt, has engaged in countless wars, civil wars and attacks, and surrendered many rights - all to battle the non-existent USSR and Russia, which never in history has been a military adversary.
     
  11. JakeJ

    JakeJ Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    You completely sidestepped the question, didn't you? The question was "what do we need Ukraine for?" You have no answer, do you? Rather, you want to drain the USA for your pet foreign cause. Then go there and fight for your cause.

    The global super rich elites and necons always use the argument that whoever they want to profit on by attacking or by spending billions and trillions on in war footing is SELECTIVELY claiming this country or that leader is "evil."

    You should go to Ukraine. Spend your own time, your own money, and your own risk resisting the evil Russians. The USA should spend money fighting evil within our own country.
     
  12. JakeJ

    JakeJ Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    The real question is why is Ukraine our concern? We have NO alliance with Ukraine, Ukraine offers nothing to the benefit of the USA, and declaring ourselves the world's free policeman at our expensive (and blood) is damnably immoral and ego mania - though the REAL reason is ALL THE MONEY to be made for the super rich and all the power it brings the insiders.
     
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    Soviet regime brutally introduced mova(Ukr lang) in the UkrSSR\Ukraine
     

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