Why would anyone vote for a Democrat?

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  1. ImNotOliver

    ImNotOliver Well-Known Member

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    Thus is one of the examples I use to illustrate how conservatives tend to believe things that aren't true. Proof of the misinformation efforts on the right.
     
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    Texas Republican Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    It was true in 2009. Funny how liberal revisionist history changes things over time. Like how libs say today that Japan was just about to surrender in the summer of 1945 and the a-bombs were unnecessary.
     
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  3. Aleksander Ulyanov

    Aleksander Ulyanov Well-Known Member

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    If they're still counting unemployed like they used to none should be retired or still in school. You can't blame people who quit HS because the family they were in wasn't making enough money even with both parents working.

    Trump's done a great job at getting us all working at **** jobs that make a pittance while he and his cronies make out like the literal bandits they are. We are returning to the Gilded Age when millions lived in grinding poverty and a few robber barons lorded it over everyone else. Do you remember how that worked out?
     
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    ImNotOliver Well-Known Member

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    You are just as wrong now as you were in 2009.
     
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  5. Aleksander Ulyanov

    Aleksander Ulyanov Well-Known Member

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    Your conservative propaganda is untrue.

    Why are conservatives suddenly so enamored of terms and tactics from the 1930's Soviet Union? Many of Stalin's enemies were executed for being "revisionists" who insisted that history tell the truth rather than the approved version.
     
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    Marine1 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Hillary should have never been allowed to run. Charges should have been filled against her.


    Trump is hardly a thug. The Left is angry because no matter what they do to stop him and his policies, he finds away to get around them. I'm glad he has, because this country needed to be turned around from the direction Obama and the Democrats were taking us.
     
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    Aleksander Ulyanov Well-Known Member

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    It is a known historical fact that the Japanese put out peace feelers to the Russians in January of 1945. Truman didn't take them, partially because he wanted to show the Soviets we had the bomb and also because some of the bomb's builders were afraid that waiting and demonstrating, which had been suggested, would just show the Japanese, who were in many ways closer to the bomb than the Germans had been, that it worked. In any case, most historians now believe that the entry of the Russians into the war on the Allied side was the reason the Japanese surrendered, not the bomb.
     
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    Texas Republican Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    The Japanese would not have surrendered in August 1945 without the bombs. December 1945? April 1946? Maybe.
     
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    In my own point of view most of them do have people oriented policies much more than corporate oriented policies.
     
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    You said Republicans supper the rich, discrimination, and big government.What does this have to do with my post?
    It’s like you keep arguing just to argue with no point.
     
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    This is completely wrong. I own a business and their are so many rules a regulations we have to follow it’s insane.
    (1) I pay worker’s compensation insurance which I agree with, however if I get one claim (almost impossible to prove insurance fraud on these), my rates double for the next 12 months.
    (2) I have to match Social Security, and Medicare tax on all my employees paychecks. ( how should this be ok with politicians robbing social security blind?)
    (3) A disgruntled employee once threaten to beat me to death so I fired him and he called the EPA, OSHA, BBB, and with one email to the labor commission claimed I owed him $15,000 in past wages that I made him work off the books (which I would never do). In each case I had to prove my innocence, nobody sided with me just because I’m a business owner. In the case of EPA and OSHA they came back multiple times with surprise inspections just because said employee kept sending emails from multiple email addresses. It took me 9 months to clear everything up.
    I won’t even get into all the negative reviews he posted that yelp and google wouldn’t take down.
    So to say there is no protection for employees is absurd.
    I agree that skilled jobs need to be rewarded with better pay, but entry level jobs that were designed for high schoolers to get their feet wet in the working world should not be $12 - $15 an hour jobs, all that does is drive costs and prices higher and higher.
     
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    The problem is that many high schoolers don't want to work those jobs and in many cases the jobs are done by senior citizens who need the extra income to survive as social security doesn't pay enough for them to live a baseline existence since most employers no longer offer pension plans.

    As far as your disgruntled former employee claiming back wages, he/she would have have to offer tangible evidence of working off the books to the department of labor otherwise the claim would be dismissed. As far as the negative reviews he posted on Yelp that google refused to remove, you have legal options available that include the right to sue for defamation, etc.

    The fact is aside from a few protections, the employee has very little job security and say in the workplace where his career literally is in the hands of his employer who decides everything, including how much money he'll be paid and the working conditions he'll be subjected to. This is why we have labor unions in this country.
     
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    You listen to much to CNN and MSNBC

    More people working than any time in our history. Minorities have the lowest unemployment in their history. DOW is the highest in history. September 8 at 5:12 AM ·

    Record 157,878,000 Employed in August
    “The number of people employed in the United States hit a record 157,878,000 in August, the 21st record set under President Donald Trump, according to the employment report released today by the Bureau of Labor Statistics,” Susan Jones reports for CNS News.
    “The unemployment rate held steady at 3.7 percent. For blacks, the unemployment rate dropped to a record low of 5.5 percent last month. And for Hispanics, the... Unemployment rate was 4.2 percent in August, which ties the record low set earlier this year.”
    Click here to read more.
    “It’s been a lost summer for the Washington Post,” White House Press Secretary Stephanie Grisham and Principal Deputy Press Secretary Hogan Gidley write in the Washington Examiner. “Despite record-setting accomplishments in record-setting time, data shows the news coverage of Trump has been 92% negative. The most egregious and dangerous forms of this bias thrived this summer at media outlets like the Washington Post, which routinely masquerade opinion as news.”

    A whopping 266,000 jobs was created in November, with 54,000 manufacturing jobs created. All the while Canada lost jobs. Economist are blown away and Biden predicting a recession.


    Overlooked on economy? Rising paychecks for blue-collar workers are shrinking the wage gap

    Monthly reports on the number of new jobs and the unemployment rate can drown out important trends like these two: After four decades of worsening, wage inequality has started shrinking. And in a twist, America’s blue-collar workers are playing the biggest role in driving that reversal.

    This may come as a surprise, because education is classically seen as a ladder up the income scale. Despite blue-collar workers often lacking college degrees, their wages have been accelerating faster than those of their white-collar counterparts.

    For example: In the past three years, white-collar workers, the sector that the Bureau of Labor Statistics classifies as “Management, Professional, and Related Occupations” and which encompasses 40% of the workforce, have seen their wages grow by nearly 7.5%. During the same period, all other workers, a group composed almost entirely of noncollege grads, have seen their paychecks grow by about 10 percent.

    https://www.usatoday.com/.../blue-collar.../1955329001/
     
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    You make some very good points about senior citizens, and I’m a firm believer that firing an employee is a last resort option. I thought the same thing about the department of labor, however the burden fell on me to show time sheets and thankfully I have a digital punch clock so that was easy but without proof on my end it would have moved forward, to what I have no idea.
     
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    You know that the Democratic Party is steadily approaching the leftist cliff when you see so many of them distancing themselves from the platform by claiming to be "independent."

    These "independents" will still vote for the leftists, but after the pending crash and burn, they can save face - "I'm not a democrat" (said with feigned shock and surprise).
     
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    That sounds like something Marie Antoinette might have said.

    Per your content above your attitude towards your less fortunate fellow Americans is to just let them starve while you support the GREED OBSESSION of the Wall Street Casino Banksters!

    Sad!
     
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    Yet another regurgitation of DEBUNKED extremist rightwing DISINFORMATION!
     
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    :roflol:

    Ironic PROJECTION duly noted FTR!

    :roflol:
     
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    Derideo_Te Well-Known Member

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    Good to know that you can laugh at yourself! ;)
     
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    Levels of POVERTY are NOT EQUAL therefore levels of welfare are not equal across all demographics!

    Simple enough concept to grasp after removing the white nationalist bias!
     
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    I know that.

    But your claim that white people are the majority of welfare recipients, while true, is also completely bullshit given the statistics.

    Appalachia is the poorest place in the country. Being poor in the city is much, much easier than being poor in the mountains.
     
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    You say that like they're the only ones making money. They're not.

    I'm making more this year than at any point in my life. My wife is too. We have no kids.

    You can imagine how fancy our vacations are. I know, bad citizen of me not to share my excess income with people who didnt work for it but... what can I say, I'm so greedy.
     
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    Once again you are just making BASELESS ASSUMPTIONS without any context or substantiation!
     
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    Anecdotes are MEANINGLESS!
     
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    You sound like an employer that I would never want to work for. I own a small manufacturing concern. I even have to pay double for my own Social Security and Medicare. My safety and pollution standards exceed government regulations. Never had a problem with an employee.

    However, I have worked for companies, or visited companies, as I do searching out venders, that in my opinion had such shoddy working conditions, that it would have come as no surprise to me if a disgruntled employee made a complaint to the relevant authorities.
     
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