Why would you Oppose a wall on our Border? Lets find out.

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  1. Condor060

    Condor060 Well-Known Member Donor

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    Below you will find the 2018 National Drug Threat Assessments provided by the US Department of Justice and the Drug Enforcement Administration. You can reflect on those details if you wish and are provided as a statistical base for this summary.

    So the question is, what are open borders costing the United States. You can argue the total cost in financial numbers all you want but you can't argue they are non existent.

    300 American lives taken every day by Heroin alone with 90% of it crossing our southern border.

    According to the U.S. Departments of Justice and Homeland Security, U.S. taxpayers are paying $19 million a day to house and care for an estimated 300,000 to 450,000 convicted criminal immigrants who are eligible for deportation
    https://thehill.com/blogs/pundits-b...crime-illegal-immigrants-and-sanctuary-cities

    In 2017 and 2018 Immigration and Customs Enforcement arrested over 210,876 people with previous criminal convictions, and another 55,233 people with pending criminal charges who are here illegally at a cost of billions.

    In November, Customs and Border Protection apprehended 51,856 people trying to cross the border illegally. That’s about 1,700 per day. Of the ones not apprehended it is estimated the US spends 50-70K per illegal immigrant in welfare, education, and medical.

    The surgeon general estimated that the annual economic impact of illicit drug use is $193 billion.

    Liberals love to quote a 2018 Cato Institute study that looked at crime in Texas found that “As a percentage of their respective populations, there were 56 percent fewer criminal convictions of illegal immigrants than of native-born Americans in Texas. These numbers are drawn from US population statistics and false leading.

    What they fail to tell you is Illegal Immigrants (in proportion to their own population) are twice as high in committing crimes than US citizens.

    Also misleading are the Liberal quotes of most drug arrest are made at ports of entry. Of course they are, how do you arrest drug smugglers who cross the border in unsecured areas untouched?

    How many Americans have to die brutal deaths at the hands of MS-13 to make it appropriate to defend our borders?

    Liberals love to quote that walls don't work but they never provide any statistics to verify their point because none exist. Walls (just like wheels) have worked for thousands of years and will continue to work.

    So the question is, why would you not support the smallest portion of our federal budget to strengthen our border security?

    https://www.dea.gov/sites/default/files/2018-11/DIR-032-18 2018 NDTA final low resolution.pdf


    Mexican Transnational Criminal Organizations (TCOs):
    Mexican TCOs remain the greatest criminal drug threat to the United States; no other group is currently positioned to challenge them. The Sinaloa Cartel maintains the most expansive footprint in the United States, while Cartel Jalisco Nueva Generacion’s (CJNG) domestic presence has significantly expanded in the past few years.

    Colombian TCOs:
    Colombian TCOs’ majority control over the production and supply of cocaine to Mexican TCOs allows Colombian TCOs to maintain an indirect influence on U.S. drug markets..

    Dominican TCOs:
    Dominican TCOs dominate the mid-level distribution of cocaine and white powder heroin in major drug markets throughout the Northeast, and predominate at the highest levels of the heroin and fentanyl trade. Dominican TCOs work in collaboration with foreign suppliers to have cocaine and heroin shipped directly to the continental United States and its territories from Mexico, Colombia, Venezuela, and the Dominican Republic.

    Gangs: National and neighborhood-based street gangs and prison gangs continue to dominate the market for the street-sales and distribution of illicit drugs in their respective territories throughout the country. Struggle for control of these lucrative drug trafficking territories continues to be the largest factor fueling the street-gang violence facing local communities. Meanwhile, some street gangs are working in conjunction with rival gangs in order to increase their drug revenues, while individual members of assorted street gangs have profited by forming relationships with friends and family associated with Mexican cartels.

    Drugs solicited by these TCOs
    Heroin:
    Heroin use and availability continue to increase in the United States. The occurrence of heroin mixed with fentanyl is also increasing. Mexico remains the primary source of heroin available in the United States

    Fentanyl and Other Synthetic Opioids: Illicit fentanyl and other synthetic opioids — primarily sourced from China and Mexico

    Cocaine: Cocaine availability and use in the United States have rebounded, in large part due to the significant increases in coca cultivation and cocaine production in Colombia. As a result, past-year cocaine initiates and cocaine-involved overdose deaths are exceeding
    2007 benchmark levels. Simultaneously, the increasing presence of fentanyl in the cocaine supply, likely related to the ongoing opioid crisis, is exacerbating the re-merging cocaine threat.

    Methamphetamine: Methamphetamine remains prevalent and widely available, with most of the methamphetamine available in the United States being produced in Mexico and smuggled across the Southwest Border (SWB). Domestic production occurs at much lower levels than in Mexico, and seizures of domestic methamphetamine laboratories have declined steadily for many years.
     
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    A wall would only help stop most of the drugs from getting in. A little would still get through, so the wall would be useless and wouldn't do anything.
     
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    False Thread.
    The borders are not open.
    And drugs get smuggle through ports of entry or through the non south border.
     
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    Condor060 Well-Known Member Donor

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    False response for not actually reading the OP before you responded to it
     
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    So you disagree with the border patrol then. Got it.
     
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    Condor060 Well-Known Member Donor

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    A wall would help stop most of the drugs so therefore its useless? How does that even make sense
     
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    most drugs are shipped through the border crossings.

    the wall wont stop that.

    i support fencing. its cheaper and border cops can see through it
     
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    Condor060 Well-Known Member Donor

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    Border patrol never said that. The DEA reported that most drug arrest were made at ports of entry. Liberals took that and stated most drugs are smuggled into the US by ports of entry.

    Of course most arrest are made at ports of entry. How do you arrest someone who is coming across the border in areas not secured
     
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    Condor060 Well-Known Member Donor

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    False, Most arrest are made at ports of entry. No drug smugglers with half a brain come through ports of entry.
     
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    most trucks arent checked.

    they get through with lots of drugs
     
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    Secured with what? A wall?

    You mean like the 300+ that were arrested crossing and that little boy died?
     
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    Stopping most of the drugs would be useless?

    Knock a hole in the wall of your house in the winter.

    Was it easier and cheaper to heat your house before you knocked the hole in it, even though the wall didn't stop all the heat loss?

    This "it's not 100% perfect, it's only an 80% solution" argument is the worst of the worst.
     
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    Condor060 Well-Known Member Donor

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    No, I mean like the hundreds of thousands of drug mules crossing our borders every year untouched
     
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    So doing nothing is better?
     
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    sorry, most drugs brought in via truck.

    they know most vehicles will not be searched, so they figure if 80% of shipments get through, its worth the risk

    https://www.nytimes.com/2017/07/25/us/drugs-border-wall.html

    https://www.thetruckersreport.com/mexican-trucks-busted-for-drug-smuggling-at-border/

    https://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/news/public-safety/sd-me-trailer-busts-20170814-story.html

    https://www.cbsnews.com/news/drug-traffickers-use-clone-vehicles-to-smuggle-drugs/
     
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    How many lives would be saved by stopping 80% of drug trafficking? Thats a perfect reason to build the wall
     
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    most drugs in the USA brought in by truck.

    especially weed, and cocaine.
     
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    most of the drugs come in by truck, at the border crossings.
     
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    It would not stop most drugs, which are smuggled in through legal traffic at legal entry points.
     
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    According to the DEA, most drugs are coming in through legal ports of entry. And not all is coming from the south. A wall would have little effect on drugs.
     
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    i hope Trump keeps pushing this lie, it will make his wall look even more silly
     
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    Sorry, I am in the drone business and provide systems to DHS. I have two civilian teams that work on the border providing intel to Border Patrol. I know whats coming across the border and so do Border agents which are all asking for a wall.
     
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    No, the DEA says most drugs are entering through legal ports of entry in not just the south, but along the West coast and the North Eastern seaboard.
     
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    sorry but the facts are clear: most drugs shipped by vehicle through the border crossings.

    if only 80% of shipments get through, the drug dealers still getting filthy rich
     
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    Do you also fly drones along the coast and inspect shipping containers at the ports?
     
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