Why would you Oppose a wall on our Border? Lets find out.

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  1. chris155au

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    I didn't say that it WOULD stop drugs. So are you saying that it shouldn't be built just because it won't stop drugs?
     
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    Why?
     
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    How is the rape of women and children NOT a humanitarian crises?
     
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    The Senate will hold competing votes Thursday on Trump’s proposal to spend $5.7 billion on a border wall and on a Democratic bill that would fund the government through Feb. 8 without a wall, marking the first time the Senate has stepped off the sidelines to try to end the month-long government shutdown. Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell is endorsing Trump's proposal for the wall. Of course, he is not endorsing the bill put forth by the Democrats.

    The Democratic bill is remarkably similar to a bipartisan bill passed in the Senate in December with Trump's commitment to sign it. Trump changed his mind the next day because Ann Coulter, Rush Limbaugh, and Sean Hannity didn't like it. The Democratic bill will reopen the government until February 8, put the federal workers back to work, and provide them with their back pay while encouraging both sides to come together and try to come up with a compromise.

    The Democratic bill is remarkably similar to Republican Senator Lindsey Graham's ideas. “Before he pulls the plug on the legislative option, and I think we’re almost there, I would urge him to open up the government for a short period of time, like three weeks, before he pulls the plug, see if we can get a deal,” the South Carolina Republican said. “If we can’t at the end of three weeks, all bets are off.”

    Wouldn't it be something if the Senate passed the Democratic House bill, and failed to pass Trump's bill? Wouldn't that be hoot. Actually, they did. They just have to do it again.

    After all, who controls the Senate? Republican Senators or Trump?
     
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    Perhaps, but it wasn't just drugs that he claimed to be fighting was it? Also crime in the US and the rape of women and children by pieces of human waste as they cross the border. Besides, do you suppose that ALL drugs cross via a port of entry?

    How is he ignoring the legislative branch of government? He hasn't invoked the emergency laws to build the wall has he?

    Most what?

    Did Trump say that it has only just become a crisis recently? Was it not a crisis a decade ago? If not, why not?
     
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    the deal pence brought over from the WH.
     
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    it also won't stop illegal immigrants either. And besides its no longer a wall. Its not even from sea to sea. Hell it ain't even concrete. Oh did I mention mexico isn't paying so he shut down the government to make taxpayers pay for it?

    Is it just that its too hard to follow his contortions and evolving definitions of original bullshit bumperstickers, or is it a deliberate expression of xenophobic nationalism ?
     
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    When you attempt to use it as an argument for creating a half assed wall segment for $5.7 billion tax dollars.

    And, if you cared about rape, you would pony up a little money so police departments could process rape kits rather than throwing them in the garbage after ignoring them for years.
     
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    A justification for the wall has not been formed. All we see is racist and emotional claims - with NO argument concerning how or even whether the unspecified wall segment would accomplish anything.

    He is shutting down the government, holding Americans hostage in order to defeat the legislative branch of our government.

    If our founders had wanted a dictatorship, they would have written THAT in the constitution, not what we have today.
     
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    It might
     
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    Why has it become an emergency ....? coincidence that it wasn’t an emergency for 24 months , not until we got a Democrat house ...what a joke
     
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    Either it IS a humanitarian crises or it ISN'T! Which is it? Surely you consider the rape of women and children a humanitarian crisis!
     
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    It certainly is a joke that the useless Trump Administration didn't do it when they had the house,however, this doesn't
    show that they didn't previously consider it an emergency. The border has been an emergency for decades.
     
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    Kind of a simple response...but not building an unnecessary wall works for me.
     
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    Exactly! Tell that to @dagosa, who thinks that Trump is already guilty!
     
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    Not enough for the incompetent republicans who had total control...not to do anything. Explain why that happened for two years. They even voted to accept the first spending bill before the Trumo/ Coulter / Limbaugh reversal.
     
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    Well, we know he’s a traitor, we know he’s a racist and we know he’s stupid. That’s just listening to him on TV.
     
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    Will it stop SOME?

    What's your point? That aliens will be able to just walk through any part of the border?

    How did the Democrats not EQUALLY shut down the government?

    You mean the fact that he wants a wall?
     
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    Compared to the tens of thousands that die needlessly every year due to lack of health insurance, let’s use that 5 billion to save these lives.
     
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    Just a guess....maybe they voted 1/2 dozen times to fund the govt. Trump can’t get his wall on its own merits, even with republicans. He has to hyjack the entire gov, to get his wall. That tells you he’s a fraud.
     
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    How is that?
     
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    If there is a better way libs should have thought about it before trump was elected president

    Or get busy on them now along with the wall

    But its too late to dictate policy to us
     
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    You have to cut off the welfare

    Then they will have to be interested
     
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    You're making this about drug flows into the US. The wall is meant to stop criminal aliens deported from the US from coming back time and time again. BTW your crap map is when Obama was President 7 years ago, nice try.
     
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    Do you have a link to any media reporting regarding this deal?
     

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